Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 03:28 pm
@Advocate,
Prove it. Most of you guys talk about how it is all old white people voting for the GOP anyways. So it sounds like using voter ID to prevent old people from voting would only effect the GOP and not the Dems. Also there are just as many if not more poor white people then there are poor minorities (based on population) that would be effected by voter ID if it was to prevent poor people from voting. Remember the south is filled with poor white people, who you guys claim only vote for the GOP.

Your claim makes no sense.
panzade
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:00 pm
@Baldimo,
Just about everybody in this country realizes the whole photo ID thing is a sham. Even some Republicans.
It's targeted against the poor and minorities.
Let’s be clear: Election integrity is vital. The problem is not requiring voter ID, per se — the problem is requiring ID that many voters simply do not have. Study after study confirms that 1 in 10 eligible voters lack these specific government documents.

Quote:
The 11 percent of eligible voters who lack the required photo ID must travel to a designated government office to obtain one. Yet many citizens will have trouble making this trip. In the 10 states with restrictive voter ID laws:

Nearly 500,000 eligible voters do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from the nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. Many of them live in rural areas with dwindling public transportation options.

More than 10 million eligible voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office open more than two days a week.

1.2 million eligible black voters and 500,000 eligible Hispanic voters live more than 10 miles from their nearest ID-issuing office open more than two days a week. People of color are more likely to be disenfranchised by these laws since they are less likely to have photo ID than the general population.

Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty.
parados
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:13 pm
@Baldimo,
Being a felon doesn't prevent you from voting if you have your rights restored so the background check does nothing to determine who can vote and it doesn't prevent non citizens from voting.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:31 pm
@parados,
I wasn't talking about a criminal background check and you know I wasn't. Stop conflating the issue.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:34 pm
@panzade,
Well then we need to make it easier for people who should have those documents to get those documents. Not stop the whole thing because a minority of people do not have them. 1 in 10 isn't that big a #.

By the way, did you know that in order to sign up for any of the ACA sites, federal or state, you have to have a valid ID showing you are a US citizen. Explain that one? It is one of the ways they are trying to prevent illegal immigrants from getting insurance from the govt. ID good for the ACA, but not for voting?
parados
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:38 pm
@Baldimo,
What were you talking about then? When you buy a gun they don't check your citizenship, they check your criminal background.
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parados
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:39 pm
@Baldimo,
Easy explanation. Voting is a right in the US Constitution.

Government must have a compelling reason before interfering with that right.
Guns in the hands of criminals are clearly bad and government has a compelling reason to keep them out their hands. Guns are used by criminals thousands of times each day.

Voting by non citizens is NOT a compelling reason since there is no evidence of it being a problem.
panzade
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:43 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
1 in 10 isn't that big a #.

It's a huge # when you consider the number is much higher in the Red states. That's an average. The Red states contain half of the electoral college.

Quote:
Well then we need to make it easier for people who should have those documents to get those documents

I like that attitude

Quote:
did you know that in order to sign up for any of the ACA sites, federal or state, you have to have a valid ID showing you are a US citizen

absolute nonsense...millions of resident aliens will end up signing up for ACA.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:46 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Voting by non citizens is NOT a compelling reason since there is no evidence of it being a problem.


Quote:
ACORN – No Illegal Voter Left Behind


Enough said. Another org. disbanded now popping up under many new names.
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parados
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:47 pm
@Baldimo,
So, it's ok to prevent 10% from voting because there is a rate of .001% fraud in voting? Talk about using a shotgun to kill a fly.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:50 pm
Quote:
Complaint Filed over Illegal Alien Voters

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2012/volpe/complaint-filed-over-illegal-alien-voters/
Quote:
Illegal alien voters are not a conspiracy theory,” said Gheen. He continued, “The information we have shows mass illegal immigrant voting in Clark County.” Clark County includes the City of Las Vegas.


Do not say there is no proof or reason for concern. It is another liberal bullshit ploy to hide the facts about the Democratic party and its endless involvement in voter fraud.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:57 pm
@parados,
Quote:
rate of .001% fraud in voting?


Bullshit.
Quote:
How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures


Quote:
Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000
12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.
The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.
The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.





coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 04:59 pm
Also

Quote:
How popular is Voter ID?

74 percent of Americans support, according to The Washington Post.
71 percent of Latinos support it, according to the PEW Research Center.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:02 pm
Quote:
The Washington Times reported its suspicions of voter fraud in Pennsylvania, including that “in Philadelphia, the [New] Black Panthers are currently standing outside polling booths, intimidating voters just like they did in 2008.” It said, too, that 70 Republican polling inspectors were blocked from access.

A blog, Punditpress, reported “In Florida: Obama Got Over 99% in Broward County Precincts”

The same site reported: “What Luck! Obama Won Dozens of Cleveland Districts with 100% of the Vote”

And Punditpress also reported: “BREAKING: St. Lucie County, Florida Had 141.1% Turnout; Obama Won County”

Further, it said: “Fraud in PA: Obama Got Over 99% of Vote at Polls Where GOP Inspectors Were Removed; Turnout Somehow ’30%’ Above Gov’t Numbers”

“Out of 175,554 registered voters, 247,713 vote cards were cast in St. Lucie County, Florida, on Tuesday”

“Colorado counties have more voters than people”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vote-fraud-reports/#ViLmrIdCsAKDQvwm.99
Advocate
 
  1  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:04 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Prove it. Most of you guys talk about how it is all old white people voting for the GOP anyways. So it sounds like using voter ID to prevent old people from voting would only effect the GOP and not the Dems. Also there are just as many if not more poor white people then there are poor minorities (based on population) that would be effected by voter ID if it was to prevent poor people from voting. Remember the south is filled with poor white people, who you guys claim only vote for the GOP.

Your claim makes no sense.


You know damn well that my charges are true. You also know that mainly blacks, who tend to be Dems, were affected. You and your Rep buddies should burn in hell for the suppression efforts.

http://www.pfaw.org/media-center/publications/new-face-jim-crow-voter-suppression-america
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:10 pm
@Advocate,
That source is a joke like the SPLC. No more than liberal progressives cleaning up on race baiting and division.. Is race baiting the American way?
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:37 pm
@Advocate,
No I think your charges are BS for the very reasons I stated. If you think you are going to win me over with an article titled: The New Face of Jim Crow then you aren't thinking clearly.

Did you know that you have to prove your are a citizen and have an ID to register and get insurance via the ACA? This is to prevent illegal immigrants from getting govt provided insurance.

panzade
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:50 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Did you know that you have to prove your are a citizen and have an ID to register and get insurance via the ACA? This is to prevent illegal immigrants from getting govt provided insurance.

I already told you that was bullshit. What you don't seem to realize is that there are over 13 million immigrants living here legally who are not citizens.
You're trying to tell me they can't sign up?
Get your facts straight.
parados
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 05:57 pm
@coldjoint,
Meanwhile it is now 2014 and no one has been prosecuted for this alleged crime. I wonder why the group didn't give the names to law enforcement.
parados
 
  2  
Thu 6 Mar, 2014 06:02 pm
@coldjoint,
Dead people on the rolls is not fraud. It is a fact of life. People die. When you have evidence of those dead people actually voting, then you would have a story.


Meanwhile back in reality....
Quote:
A News21 analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.

In an exhaustive public records search, News21 reporters sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.

What? 50 states over 12 years and only 2,068 cases of election-fraud? I guess my math was off. The rate of fraud is more like 0.0004%.
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