Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@engineer,

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I can't think of any cases off-hand of a sexual assult victim being bought off even though several posts over the course of this thread imply it happens all the time and women make assult charges in the hope of getting a payout.

Look up the case the basketball player Kobe for a fine example of how a hotel employee can become wealthy by means of a settlement on a rape charge.

And no talks would be a matter of public record and the details would be seal afterward.

The public will just hear that she had required that the criminal case be drop and that there is some kind of a civil settlement between the parties.

Without her willing aid in a she said he said case the matter is then over with.

Next there was the case of a woman who claimed she had been raped on a private island by a world famous magician David Copperfield and beside bringing criminal charges she had a civil suit in the work.

No settlement was reached as she was found out to be had been trying to blackmail another man with false rape charges and her case against the David Copperfield fell apart as a result.

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@engineer,

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What money are you talking about? Where have you read that the alleged victim has been offered any money, either to induce her to make a complaint or to persude her to drop it?

They are not going at advertise it, but the alleged victim has certainly by now tapped into several tax supported revenue streams, some of which will dry up if she where to decide to stop cooperating with the police. For the forseeable future she will get victims assistance money and be housed by the state, if a conviction is obtained SDK will pay her victim restitution, and then she will most certainly go after civil charges and compensation. It is highly unlikely that this alleged victim will ever need to work another day in her life. University for her kid is now paid for as well.

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@High Seas,

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if he really pushed the woman into a room and locked the door (the door to the suite locks automatically)

the door was not locked from the inside, to her, only in the American "justice" system is closing a door an act of imprisonment.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeey any tax payer money is very small changes in this case compare to being able to sue such a man and if I was her lawyer I would be trying to nail down a fast settlement instead of risking millions that he will be found guilty of the charges with the best lawyers in New York working for him.

Once more her lawyer is likely in the picture because he is smelling millions not because he a caring person.

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@hawkeye10,

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I subscribe to theamerican"justice"system/feministteamsucks.com

And that's where you learned he couldn't have done it because he was having lunch with his wife at the time?

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@BillRM,

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Hawkeey any tax payer money is very small changes in this case

sure, but from the minute she decided to report she never needed to worry about money or medical care again, so long as her story holds up in court or the DA can get DSK to plea (unlikely that he will plea, but most people would). She just won the lottery as surely as did a member of the class of 67 at Sarah Lawrence who bagged an up and coming IBM manager in matrimony. I am told that I am supposed to feel sorry for her too.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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What money are you talking about? Where have you read that the alleged victim has been offered any money, either to induce her to make a complaint or to persude her to drop it?
They are not going at advertise it, but the alleged victim has certainly by now tapped into several tax supported revenue streams, some of which will dry up if she where to decide to stop cooperating with the police. For the forseeable future she will get victims assistance money and be housed by the state, if a conviction is obtained SDK will pay her victim restitution, and then she will most certainly go after civil charges and compensation. It is highly unlikely that this alleged victim will ever need to work another day in her life. University for her kid is now paid for as well.

Do you have a link to back up these allegations? No victims around here get anything from the state other than an interrogation and a rape kit test (and sometimes they have to pay for their own rape kit.) I understand she was receiving some level of state housing support before her allegations. You are not refering that that are you?

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@Irishk,

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And that's where you learned he couldn't have done it because he was having lunch with his wife at the time?

You are as dumb as a rock I see......I said that the wife was in the cab with him, till someone pointed out that she was not, which was easy to fact check....I never said that he had lunch with his wife.

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@BillRM,

So one successful case of a man buying off a woman (and one failed case which should show the perils of such accusations) out of thousands of assult cases annually and you think that is the rule? Sounds like the exception to me.

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@engineer,

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Do you have a link to back up these allegations? No victims around here get anything from the state other than an interrogation and a rape kit test (and sometimes they have to pay for their own rape kit.) I understand she was receiving some level of state housing support before her allegations. You are not refering that that are you?

You are wrong, because all states were mandated to run these services according to the Federal Government wishes, and the money come all or mostly all from the Federal Government.

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Compensation

A core mission of OVS is to provide compensation to innocent victims of crime for their out-of-pocket losses associated with the crime. This compensation, which in New York is broad and comprehensive, particularly in the area of long-term medical benefits, provides some financial relief to victims, who often suffer long-term financial loss in addition to the harm caused by the crime itself. For more information on the compensation OVS can provide and to obtain an application for compensation, please review: A Guide to Crime Victim Compensation in New York State, Frequently Asked Questions, and our Claim Application and Instructions.

http://www.ovs.ny.gov/HelpforCrimeVictims/HelpforCrimeVictims.aspx

At the rape centers pocket money can be had with-in hours, larger checks take more time.

New York State

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In Fiscal Year 2007-08:

Accepted 13,602 claims, while disbursing $27,427,450 in compensation to help crime victims in New York State.

http://www.ovs.ny.gov/AboutCVB/AboutCVB.aspx

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@hawkeye10,

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I said that the wife was in the cab with him,

And it was widely reported from day one that his wife was in France...which you'd have known if you bothered to read anything besides your AllWomenAreEvil website.

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@hawkeye10,

I should point out that victim assistance money is only a small part of what is offered, for instance medicaid and unemployment are instantly offered. The DA's office also has revenue streams to offer victims, which they of course will only do if the alleged victim is cooperating, all of the other funds however are offered either way, in theory at least.

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An author linked to Dominique Strauss-Kahn today claimed he 'loved sex', but dismissed the sexual assault allegations against him.
Spanish-born writer Carmen Llera, 58, is said to have had a two-year relationship with Strauss-Kahn between 2003 and 2005 and a picture has been circulated of the two of them walking in Paris.
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'I have never been one of his victims as has been written, he is not a primitive, cruel, sadistic man, violence is not part of his culture, he likes sex (so what?) that is not a crime, sometimes bodies can express more than words.
'But I do not wish to be literary at this moment because literature does not save anyone, it won't save him and it won't save me.
'I have no idea what happened in the suite at the Sofitel, probably there was a consensual relationship, but I would exclude sexual violence, I would not want Dominique Strauss-Kahn to be a made a scapegoat for American, anti-European, or anti-French puritanism.
'I would not want him to pay for the failed extradition of (Roman) Polanski or for dirty political and economic games.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389083/He-likes-sex--Spanish-author-linked-Strauss-Kahn-claims-scapegoat-anti-French-puritanism.html#ixzz1MuRoA6KV

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@engineer,

Millionaires men being charge with rape is not common so the thousands of everyday rape cases have nothing to do with this subset of cases as we both know.

So are you going to start taking after Firefly in blowing smoke.

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@BillRM,

Saw this last night Bill. It made me think of you.

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@High Seas,

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You can't go by Firefly's posts - she doesn't even know the difference between an arrest charge and a non-arrest charge. Re-posting from previous page

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the allegation is that he attempted to lock her into an interior room, not that he closed the door to the suite, which locks automatically

No, that is not the allegation against him, which you might have known if you had bothered to read the description of his behavior that was given in part of the criminal complaint against him. This is what he is accused of doing:

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shut the door to the above location and prevented informant from leaving the above location.

I'd suggest that people disregard your posts if they want an accurate understanding of what he is accused of doing. He is not accused of attempting to lock her in an interior room.

The rules of that hotel require that she leave the door to the suite open when she enters to clean. She did leave the door open.
He is accused not only of shutting the exterior door of the suite, but preventing her from leaving the suite--by restraining her from leaving.

That charge can only be debated at trial. There is no way it can be found to be unfounded prior to trial since his lawyers have tacitly acknowledged that some sort of sexual encounter took place inside the suite--they are simply asserting it was "non forcible", presumably consensual. That would also be their answer to the charge of "unlawful imprisonment"--that she remained inside the suite voluntarily in order to have such an encounter.
Logic would dictate that they have to establish consent for the sexual encounter before they could argue that he did not unlawfully imprison her. Unfortunately, logic doesn't seem to have entered into your reasoning.

Before you adapt your usual, all too familiar, snide tone, you should make some attempt to read the descriptions of Strauss-Kahn's behavior that the detectives included in the criminal complaint to support the charges against him.

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@firefly,

Easy does it.

I think she was merely referring to the easy verifability of the closing of that or any door with an electronically coded lock. Everything else could be reduced to a 'he says, she says' deadlock - precisely as she noted.

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@georgeob1,

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Easy does it.

I think she was merely referring to the easy verifability of the closing of that or any door with an electronically coded lock. Everything else could be reduced to a 'he says, she says' deadlock - precisely as she noted.

The closing of the door boils down to he said/ she says as well, as most couples agree to shut doors before they have sex. In any case she was never locked in, as hotel doors can not be made to do that, the imprisionment charge is bogus.

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@izzythepush,

I will need to send this Youtube link to my wife as a holder of a PhD she surely will find it amusing.

Thanks.............

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@BillRM,

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Millionaires men being charge with rape is not common so the thousands of everyday rape cases have nothing to do with this subset of cases as we both know.

Why not? According the your posts, the fastest way for some poor woman to make it big time is to dream up a rape accusation against a millionaire. How come every executive of a Fortune 500 company and every athlete in the NBA (where the starting rookie salary is $500,000k/yr) is not continuously fending off civil rape lawsuits? Why doesn't this happen at this hotel all the time? Even at the discounted price of $600 or $800 a night, it should be obvious to the entire cleaning staff that any guy spending the night there is loaded. The absence of such high profile cases is a big hole in your argument.

The main problem I have with your and Hawk's posts is that you make some very good points and them wrap them in a **** blanket making them so unpalatable that no one can see them. I think the following points are good ones:
- Those accused of rape are assumed guilty in the press and have their names dragged through the gutter before they have a chance to defend themselves.
- Putting someone who no reasonable person would assume is a danger in cuffs and dragging them in front of cameras contributes to this assumption of guilt.
- Given who the accused is, it would make sense to handle this reported crime in a less sensational way, but that is really true for all cases.

I think the following points are kind of silly:
- Women routinely make up rape charges for money or security
- It's all just fun - we've criminalized natural sexual behavior.
- Of course this is a conspiracy. A hotel maid with a solid employment track record is just the person to frame up the head of the IMF.
- A smart, powerful man would never do something stupid.

I think your arguments would be a lot more effective and gain more traction if you stuck to things where you can make good arguments and stay away from arguments are obviously false.

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