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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 01:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Two months later Vance finally did the right thing by concluding that he could not put a known con artist/lier on the stand, he did not have anything else of much value, so he kicked DSK loose.


In my opinion, Vance should had dropped the charges two months sooner with an apology and at the same time file perjury charges against our third world maid and con woman.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 01:32 pm
@BillRM,
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In my opinion, Vance should had dropped the charges two months sooner with an apology and at the same time file perjury charges against our third world maid and con woman.
Yes, but he is always bending over ready to take it in the ass from the victim community because he used to defend accused sex offenders. He seems to feel some quilt over haven given these accused the best defense that he could offer, which is one of the many reasons he should have been/should be now disqualified from sitting in the prosecutors chair.

The rush to charge DSK, the foot dragging on dropping charges, and the refusal to go after the maid for lying to him and his grand jury all stem from the same basic flaw in his character.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 01:59 pm
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Strauss-Kahn Case Shows Gut Feel Trumps Law
By Margaret Carlson
Aug 25, 2011

If only we could turn the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case over to the writers of “Law & Order” to provide the order we crave. It violates our sense of justice to have one of our front-page dramas end without a finding of right and wrong.

What the DSK story shows -- as did Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson before -- is that the legal process and our sense of justice aren’t the same. Forensic evidence collected by the police -- semen, saliva, ripped pantyhose, a torn ligament, vaginal bruising -- was sufficient corroboration of Nafissatou Diallo’s complaint to pull DSK out of his first-class seat on Air France. It was enough for many of us to question his innocence, even after her many embellishments and lies.

All of this suggests that something untoward happened in that room, and it’s hard for many to buy that a woman who had worked without incident for three years in a hotel would one day see a naked man coming at her and consent to his advances because she could make a buck off it.

Without a trial, we are unlikely to have the chance to sort out the claims and counterclaims. Both parties cast themselves as victims: DSK, who had to resign as managing director of the International Monetary Fund, probably won’t become the president of France because the race to challenge Nicolas Sarkozy has moved on without him. Diallo, a Muslim immigrant who went from hair-braiding and working in a bodega to her hard-earned position as a hotel maid and had just been assigned her own floor to clean, is unlikely to continue her climb. Life is relative.

Mucked Up

It’s hard not to feel that Diallo was ill-prepared for what lay ahead. Few in immigrant society actively engage the justice system; even fewer go up against the rich and powerful. Diallo mucked things up in a multitude of ways.

Not all these things must be present to make for a very poor complainant, but they all came into play with Diallo. She talked way too much, DSK not at all until his lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, this week triumphantly explained the Sofitel encounter between two strangers as a “momentary lapse of judgment that was not criminal.”

It goes against every instinct of a prosecutor to drop a case, but that is what Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr. did at a press conference that took place as a real earthquake was hitting. Rather than wound Vance -- who has the challenge of filling the shoes of his predecessor, the legendary Robert Morgenthau -- the DSK case should enhance him.

Vance’s Credit

He has nothing to be ashamed of. With incriminating evidence, he took the word of a poor, black, Muslim immigrant over that of a famous European man. The U.S. might have had legal problems extraditing DSK if he were on French soil, so the risk was high that had he flown off, he wouldn’t have returned for trial. The way DSK’s lawyer learned that Diallo had credibility issues wasn’t through his own efforts but because Vance did the right thing and quickly: He turned over exculpatory evidence. It’s required by case law but not always done when it comes with the large serving of crow a prosecutor must eat publicly.

The case has had other effects. It has, for instance, emboldened French women. Writer Tristane Banon has filed a criminal complaint against DSK over an alleged assault in February 2003. Two others accused Civil Services Minister Georges Tron of a sexual attack. He has resigned over the incident. The age of looking the other way may be coming to an end.

If this case is ever ripped from the headlines for a prime- time police procedural, it will have a more satisfying ending. As unsatisfying as this one is, there are virtues in this particular conclusion. Be thankful we have a judicial system where our gut sense of fairness can prevail -- even if it doesn’t meet a set standard of proof.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-25/strauss-kahn-case-shows-gut-feel-trumps-law-margaret-carlson.html


Actually, I think the season opener of Law & Order SVU will be based on this case.

I agree with Carlson about this...
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it’s hard for many to buy that a woman who had worked without incident for three years in a hotel would one day see a naked man coming at her and consent to his advances because she could make a buck off it.


I also agree with her about Vance.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 02:54 pm
@firefly,
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it’s hard for many to buy that a woman who had worked without incident for three years in a hotel would one day see a naked man coming at her and consent to his advances because she could make a buck off it
I doubt that this ugly black woman gets propositioned very often at work, it was just luck that she ran into a Socialist French Libertine one day who cares not much about the class or the skin color of his women, who was in the middle of a sex romp and so was willing to stoop to interact with an ugly woman.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 03:12 pm
@hawkeye10,
It was DSK's bad luck to run into a con artist cum professional victim who also seems to be pathologic. In police state America which has been emotionally swamped with the feminist promoted rape scare it is hugely important for men to pick their women well. DSK did not, he seemed completely unaware of the dangers of asking a woman for sex in America in 2011.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 03:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
Strange it hard for Firefly to understand that the maid after three years would do such a thing however a man who had reached the age of 62 years would all of a sudden just jump out of a shower and onto a maid is no big surprise.

But then he is a man and all men are at best would be rapists and not only that but this man had shown that he enjoy pursuing women.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 03:30 pm
@BillRM,
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Strange it hard for Firefly to understand that the maid after three years would do such a thing however a man who had reached the age of 62 years would all of a sudden just jump out of a shower and onto a maid is no big surprise.
What I dont understand is why the assumption that no complaints against her meant that she did not sexually service anyone. If she provided a service and she got paid with tips for them then there would be no cause for the customer to complain, nor for her to complain. Considering that this activity would also get her fired, as the hotel does not want their maids to be working the customers, she is normally not going to complain even when she gets stiffed. It is only when the customers does not pay thus pisses her off and is wealthy so can be subject of a shake down that it makes any sense for her to cry rape, and as we will see even this is going to get her out of a job. When one thinks for two minutes it is clear the Firefly's "she worked three years without complaint" does not matter much at all, it does not support the assertion that DSK is guilty of anything. Of course Firefly trotting out nonsense and trying to claim that it supports her case is nothing new, nor is her assuming that her readers are too stupid to catch her spewing bullshit.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 04:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
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What I dont understand is why the assumption that no complaints against her meant that she did not sexually service anyone.


And, by your logic, no past criminal complaints against DSK should not be taken to mean that he never sexually assaulted anyone.

Except, Tristane Banon spoke about an attempted rape by DSK years ago, on TV--and now her formal legal complaint against him is being investigated by French authorities.

There is no evidence, at all, that Diallo ever worked as a prostitute. That rumor was started by the NY Post, and it is the reason she is suing the Post.

Look, this might well not be the first time DSK ever assaulted a hotel maid, but Diallo may have been the first one with the guts to report it to the police. His past history does include at least one public statement by a woman that he tried to rape her. Diallo has no past history of lodging false allegations against anyone, or of even behaving badly or maliciously toward anyone.

DSK's credibility about the sexual encounter with Diallo being "consensual" is considerably more suspect than her allegations against him.

You and BillRM can keep this up forever. He was not exonerated. The charges against him were not determined to be untrue or unfounded. You are engaging in fantasy.

I am curious to see what else Diallo's lawyers will dig up about him.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 05:01 pm
@firefly,
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DSK's credibility about the sexual encounter with Diallo being "consensual" is considerably more suspect than her allegations against him.
Not surprisingly, I do not agree.

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I am curious to see what else Diallo's lawyers will dig up about him.
Considering that they whine a lot and try to use the media to try DSK but have not yet come up with a single woman who will speak ill of DSK after three months of extensive efforts to find such women, none are likely to exist. We have Tristane and her mother, two bitter women telling stories about DSK for many years that no one else can corroborate and whom few have taken seriously over these years, neither of whom are even now willing to say that DSK raped them, and that is all we have.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 05:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
A side note: When Tristane was finally tracked down and asked why she filed against DSK she said something to the effect " I am tired of not being believed because I never filed charges!"....She demands to be the victim always, much as our nutty maid is always according to her the victim of others when she is caught doing something wrong, the difference is that the maid is looking for a payday where as Tristane needs to be treated like a victim all day every day.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 06:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
Look Hawkeye all men, to Firefly and her sisters, are animals driven by lust for the female body and barely at least most of the time held in check by the law.

Threatening the whole male student bodies of colleges with anti rape posters showing handcuffs is a useful and needed thing to do because of the above belief system that they keep trying to defend by pumping up college rapes from ten or less a year on average at any given major university to many hundreds by way of distorted surveys.

So they see nothing odds about the likelihood that one fine morning the 62 years old head of the IMF would just jump out of a shower and attacked a random maid in his 3000 a night room.

The fact that the maid is 30 years younger and is build like a plow horse is no barrier to this lust driven 62 years old banker being able to over power her and force a BJ from her.

Being male he is more then presume guilty and short of a hidden video showing the events it does not matter if the "victim" turn out to be one hell of a liar and third world con woman or not.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 06:26 pm
@BillRM,
There is no way he forced her to do anything, she willingly did what he wanted her to do, expected that she would get paid for her work, and when she did not she got pissed.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 06:42 pm
@hawkeye10,
Isn't it odd that DSK never sued Tristane Banon for slander, even though she went on TV and said he tried to rape her? Perhaps because it wasn't slander, perhaps because it was true? He can deny it all he wants, but the fact he didn't sue her for slander, and defamation of character, is quite telling.

And you have no idea how many women willing to talk about DSK Diallo's lawyers have dug up--they didn't even start looking until they began preparing for the civil suit, and they are not going to go public with the information before they are ready to use it.

Unfortunately for DSK, Banon and her mother are quite credible.

And DSK's image as a Socialist has also been somewhat tarnished thanks to all the revelations about his quite lavish lifestyle. $35,000 a month rentals and $750 steak dinners don't exactly make him a poster child for Socialism. This was starting to be a problem for him in France even before he was arrested, but now everyone knows just how high on the hog this dude lives.

You and BillRM sound like you both have a real man-crush on DSK. Are old, short, portly, horny guys your type?
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 06:43 pm
@hawkeye10,
That is my take also on the likely events in that hotel room.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 06:51 pm
@BillRM,
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That is my take also on the likely events in that hotel room.

That would have been your take on this situation if Mother Teresa had made the allegations against DSK. Laughing
You never believe any woman who makes allegations of sexual assault.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 06:52 pm
@firefly,
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Unfortunately for DSK, Banon and her mother are quite credible.
Riight....that is why for all these years she did not file charges claiming that no one would believe her....You are delusional Firefly.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 06:56 pm
@firefly,
The idea that if someone slander you and you do not sue must mean that the slander is true an interesting idea with zero merit in my opinion.

Firefly I personally also find it amazing that hundreds of women are not line up to be interview for a chance to claimed to be a victim of DSK lust and join the maid in a hunt for the gold.

A world wide call should come had come up with such women by the car load.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 07:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
Another thing re Tristane....the only evidence that I have heard of that is not either her and her mother telling stories or second and third hand accounts of her and her mother telling stories is a text that Tristane claims to have saved that DSk sent immediately after the alleged event where he says "do I scare you?"....which does not prove anything other than DSK has reason to think that Tristane was upset...it in no way implies that he thinks that she has reason to be upset.

Now Trsitane and her mother were chatting up nearly everybody with their assertions against DSK over a period of years, so I assume that people went to talk to him about what they were saying, and MAYBE he at some time told someone something that would indicate that he did something wrong, but there are no accounts in the media yet that indicate such.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 07:03 pm
@firefly,
Mother Teresa however Firefly was not in that hotel room a third world con woman who told so many proven lies that the DA investigators needed to throw up their hands was in the room instead.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 07:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
Oh it help their credible that mom had have a past sexual relationship with DSK.
 

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