Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@firefly,

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Outside, maids from the New York housekeeping union wear uniforms of light blue, black and white. They stand arm in arm protesting the alleged mistreatment of one of their own. I

Everyone is riding this horse including a union it would seem.

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@spendius,

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The case is based on one thing. An unlikely thing in my opinion but I'll allow it's a possibility. That DSK had an uncontrollable urge for a cleaning woman from a country on the UN Aids watch list after about 40 years extensive and comprehensive experience of the opposite sex and was about to depart for The City of White Thighs. And that he would risk what he had going for this woman.

You are guilty of the same black/white thinking that Americans routinely practice, in this case assualt/non assault. The truth is much more likely to be confused consent, she though he assaulted her, he though the he did not. The almost certainly boils down to a disagreement about the rules of the game. american law is moving towards a default to the rules as understood by the one who claims to be the victim but we are not there yet. I dont see any way that the state gets a jury to bite on any of these charges but for maybe the lower two, most likely only the last one which has as a max three months prison.

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@firefly,

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He was in the suite past check-out time and he hadn't notified the front desk that he would be chacking-out late

Says who?

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June 6, 2011
The Housekeepers vs. D.S.K.
Posted by Amy Davidson

Dominique Strauss-Kahn pleaded not guilty to charges of sexual assault and attempted rape today, and nothing has been proven against him yet. But one hopes that he and others heard the housekeepers and other hotel workers, assembled outside the courtroom in their uniforms, shouting at him. They told him that he should be ashamed.

The Los Angeles Times noted that housekeepers had been “bused in” by their union for the occasion. And why not? Addressing power imbalances, especially the kind that can lead someone to be injured on the job, is part of what a union is for. There may be a good deal of diffuse sympathy for the housekeeper, but Strauss-Kahn has a good deal of practical help at his disposal. The New York Times, in a story about how his defense is expected to rely on a claim of consent, said that it is likely to involve an onslaught on the alleged victim’s character (“experts say no aspect of her life, like her personal history and any financial dealings, will go unscrutinized”). That attack has already begun, with vague insinuations in court papers and, according to press reports, private investigative firms with hourly billing rates that make Strauss-Kahn’s hotel room seem cheap. (The woman’s lawyer, who attended today’s hearing, referred to it as a “smear campaign.”) The Times quoted a local defense lawyer, Jeffrey Lipman, who said that “while it may seem morally unseemly to the public, it’s legally appropriate and we have to do the best we can for our clients.” And,

He added: “You have to make this into a money thing at the end. Has she defaulted on loans or bounced checks?”

How many of us would appear flawless, in that light? If you have a house foreclosed upon, will you be doubted if you are raped? It is a reasonable guess that the finances of the average hotel housekeeper are in a more precarious state than those of the average Sofitel guest. Making it “a money thing” is either a way of saying that people who have had trouble with bills are liars, or hirelings in insidious international conspiracies, or are mercenary enough to answer the obvious question of why a woman whose colleagues found her huddling in the hall in what appeared to be a traumatized state, crying and retching, would have consented to sex with a stranger. Or is the idea that he said something slaughteringly witty? If that is what they are up against, what is the recourse for any woman in that position, or for anyone?

As for why a politician might act in a reckless way—let’s return to that once we’ve all figured out the John Edwards case, or the Anthony Weiner story.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2011/06/the-housekeepers-dsk.html?printable=true&currentPage=all

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@hawkeye10,

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He was in the suite past check-out time and he hadn't notified the front desk that he would be chacking-out late

She is not going to give a link as she likely pull that out of her rear end but it sound good at least to her.

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@firefly,

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As for why a politician might act in a reckless way—let’s return to that once we’ve all figured out the John Edwards case, or the Anthony Weiner story.

So cheating on your wife is in the same class as sexual assault? Seem kind of a strange thinking but what the hell if you willing to cheat on a wife I guess you are likely to rape a hotel maid????????????????????

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@BillRM,

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He was in the suite past check-out time and he hadn't notified the front desk that he would be chacking-out late

She is not going to give a link as she likely pull that out of her rear end but it sound good at least to her.

I have read a lot of the journalism product on this case, and I have never seen Firefly's claim in print. I do know that the hotel management company has turned the screws on the employees, told them not to talk to journalists at all and that there will be consequences to those who do not obey, most likely because they have a multi million dollar liability to Ophelia pending. Any information on what was said that day to her and of key times will play big in that suit, so the hotel does not want its employees on record with that information.

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@ehBeth,

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I understand that you don't understand the U.S. legal system.

Why don't you just say that you're not prepared to answer the questions and be done with it Beth? That sort of stuff is the cic.imp. method of dialectic. And it exposes you to ridicule where I come from.

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@firefly,

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the case is The People of the State of New York vs Dominque Strauss-Kahn. His accuser is now NYS.

in a fair world, it would be jane doe vs john doe, until there was a conviction or acquittal

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@BillRM,

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So cheating on your wife is in the same class as sexual assault

Or in the case of Weiner....sexting. I cant believe that Americans would cashier a public servant over sexting..Oh wait, these are there the same people who are repressed on sex, have a deep inability to talk honestly with one another, and who are overall more than a little touched with mass mental illness ......nevermind.

America could learn a thing or two from the French on sex and public officials, but the odds of that happening are about zero. We are also a very smug and self rightous bunch.

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@firefly,

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I played two sports in college, and though I'm well out of my prime shape, I am able to catch up and elbow my way into the throng.

Here's the fake machismo that is always brought into play when the willy-wobbles in the face of the hand that rocks the cradle is endemic. Playing two sports in college is not evidence of being any good at them. I can imagine a sprint of middle-aged Europeans. But hey- it had to be fast for it to be thought wonderful to have caught up with them and elbow in.

What a load of shite.

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The hallway outside of Part 51 at the Manhattan criminal court looks like an old, crumbling train station.

That's the pits of the earth as a simile. Really awful. It's the simile-wobblies.

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@hawkeye10,

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He was in the suite past check-out time and he hadn't notified the front desk that he would be chacking-out late

Early on I saw a quote from the guy who organizes the maids saying he had told her the room was empty, but that doesn't mean DSK told the desk anything, only that they assumed he was gone. I've had hotels do that to me before.

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@engineer,

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Early on I saw a quote from the guy who organizes the maids saying he had told her the room was empty

And it is not at all clear if what was meant was that it was empty at the time the words were spoken or if it was empty that day IE DSK was checking out. I will be very interested to see the exact wording, as I have seen several French in internet comments say that there is no way that the hotel would not have a way to give maids correct info on current room occupancy so the guests are not disturbed before they actually leave.....I take it that in Europe this kind of shoddy service at an high end place is unheard of (and I never have experienced it there is the several very nice places that I stayed at). However two years ago while in a suite at the Hotel Monaco in Portland we had the maid walk in at an hour before check out as I was ******* my wife. She claimed that she had no way to know if we had checked out yet or not, so when we did not rush to the door when she knocked she decided that we must not be there. I was not a happy camper, and I have a difficult time believing that Sofitel does not do a better job, but maybe they dont.

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@firefly,

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Outside, maids from the New York housekeeping union wear uniforms of light blue, black and white. They stand arm in arm protesting the alleged mistreatment of one of their own.

Sheesh!! They should be protesting about wearing uniforms. It is the stigmata of womanhood to be caught wearing the same kit as another woman. Everybody knows that.

They are not interested in the alleged mistreatment of one of their own. What a load of whooey that is. They want to be on telly without any other claim to fame than to be dressed like nuns and claiming to be so enchanting that men are lurking in the shadows waiting for an opportunity to jump on them and jumping up and down in faked indignation. Probably a hired in bunch of actresses between roles on Broadway.

Does this Nate Rawlings think we are all still wet behind the ears. S/he certainly writes as if that is the case.

I'll agree with the old lawyer--you ain't seen nuthin' yet girls. You've bit off more than you can chew with this one. Mike Tyson this isn't.

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@firefly,

Why do you post copied cartoons (they are not even original work) of laughter to prove you are right ? Isnt that being more emotional than intellectual ? Isnt that appealing to the lynch mob mentallity or or is it just fear on your part ?

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@firefly,

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Why? He was in the suite past check-out time and he hadn't notified the front desk that he would be chacking-out late.

Once again ff--everybody in the hotel would know where a man in the top 40 males in the world was. Are you suggesting he nipped out down the fire escape?

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This wasn't a room, it was a large suite. So, if someone was in one of the rooms that might not be immediately obvious. And, after apologizing to him, she apparently tried to leave, but he is accused of locking the door and restraining her so she could not leave.

Complete fatuity. Back to what "she said" are we? Suppose she locked the door to ensure that her plan was not interrupted? She had a key. Once again "apparently" comes into play. It's disgusting actually ff. These "apparently"s. There's more credible motive in her having a plan than a sudden urge overcoming a man of his eclectic experience for an immigrant cleaning woman who is supposedly in his room due to some asserted nonsense about her thinking the room was empty. And the shower was going we heard. Was he singing arias from Cosi fan tutti?

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But there's another school of thought — favored by a lot of clinical specialists — who say someone that obsessed with sexual encounters is dysfunctional, an addict. They're dependent on them, and when denied or otherwise frustrated, they snap and try to take it anyway. They are sick, and when their sickness takes full control, they lose all logic, lose rationality, and all reason and consequence vanishes in the impulse and violence of the act."

I have covered that in my post about the state of the prosecutors when on the vinegar srtoke with their beloved. You didn't answer the point and it is a very important one when it comes to the abuse of women. Or at least the Pope thinks it is as well as the billion or two Catholics around the world. You might not do for personal reasons.

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@spendius,

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They are not interested in the alleged mistreatment of one of their own. What a load of whooey that is. They want to be on telly without any other claim to fame than to be dressed like nuns and claiming to be so enchanting that men are lurking in the shadows waiting for an opportunity to jump on them and jumping up and down in faked indignation. Probably a hired in bunch of actresses between roles on Broadway.

I was reading a piece where a NYC maid was trying to claim that they all go through what it is alleged that Ophelia had to deal with, but the best she could come up with is that when people ask for towels sometimes they answer the door in their underwear, to which she said "we dont want to see that, we are just trying to make a hard living for our families" *paraphrase*

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@hawkeye10,

I don't think, hawk, that you or I or Bill should use this Ophelia expression. It was invented by French feminists to try to portray an immigrant cleaning woman with the nonce to get into the US and hold down a $60k a year job plus extras as an innocent and pure virgin victim of male bestiality and who was not in an anonymous role.

The simple fact that they would stoop to such an infantile trick tells you all you need to know about their desperation and their stupid underestimation of others who might just as easily choose Mata Hari. Or Barbara Stanwyk.

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@hawkeye10,

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I will be very interested to see the exact wording,

For that we will have to wait for the trial.

According to one leaked version, that appeared right after the arrest, and which might or might not be accurate, a room service worker had entered the suite to retrieve trays and uneaten food and he had not seen DSK and told the maid the room was unoccupied and she could go in to clean.
That led to a theory that DSK might have deliberately remained out of sight from the room service worker and that he was waiting for the maid to enter--allegedly waiting naked for her.

All of the speculation is meaningless. Until we hear all the evidence at trial, we're not going to know exactly what the prosecution alleges occurred in that suite, or what the maid was told before she entered the suite, or how the defense is going to spin this as a fully consensual interaction with no "forcible compulsion".

The defense really can't claim "confused consent", Hawkeye. That wouldn't explain away evidence of force--or why force had to be used--if the prosecution presents such evidence, as they likely will. "Oui" does not sound like, "Non!". They will have to come up with an entirely different scenario. The maid and DSK were not in a social situation, she entered his room because she was working. So, how did this suddenly turn into a consenting sexual situation? It will be interesting to see what story the defense comes up with, and how they will bring it out in court, since I can't imagine they want to let him get on the witness stand to give his version of events.
The defense might just try to have their own forensic expert witnesses raise doubts about any and all evidence of force, and,of course, they will try to damage the maid's credibility in any way they can.

The trial should be interesting. And it is expected to be lengthy.

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@firefly,

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That wouldn't explain away evidence of force--or why force had to be used

What evidence of force????????????????????????

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