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Fine-Tuning 25, A Somewhat Unique Post

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2004 08:21 pm
Let us not be put upon.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 04:53 pm
I'm reading this thread and laughing my donkey off. I didn't realize there were so many people on this little rock of a planet who will argue endlessly for the sheer joy of arguing. A thesis is stated by Frank. It is ably toppled by Craven. So it gets restated in different language. It is toppled again, this time with an assist from Setanta and others. So it is retstaed again. It is again...

But I get repetitious. C'est tres amusant.

Perhaps it's because English is a second language for me, but I can find no qualitative difference between 'probable' and 'likely.' If one can take a modifier, so can the other. In maths, as well as in logic, probability theory is all about the degrees of porbability inherent in a given [event].

And, in the final analysis, usage is the deciding factor in any definition which goes beyond the merely etymological. Because a deictionary definition is listed as (1), does not make definition (3) any the less valid.

One day Frank will admit that he, too, can be wrong from time to time. (When that happens, of course, the world will be utterly changed and the Second Coming will be acknowledged by one and all. There shall be weeping and the gnashing of teeth.)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 10 Jan, 2004 06:39 pm
You have a donkey?

Is it perfectly, uniquely or probably an ass?




Heeeeeeheeeehaw.

Sorry.

Long night, little sleep.....
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 06:28 am
My donkey is unequivocally an ass. Well...sort of unequivocally.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 10:10 am
Merry Andrew wrote:
One day Frank will admit that he, too, can be wrong from time to time. (When that happens, of course, the world will be utterly changed and the Second Coming will be acknowledged by one and all. There shall be weeping and the gnashing of teeth.)


I have acknowledged (no need to "admit") that I have been wrong on many, many occasions both here and over at Abuzz.

We all make mistakes.

No world shaking events happened as a result.

I also acknowledge (probably more than anyone else in either forum) that I do not know the answers to many questions.


For everyone's information -- the "problem" thing was not, by any means, a new issue for me. I have argued this issue with Ican for over two years now -- and for very specific reasons in his case.

I understand that almost everyone (perhaps all) disagree with me.

What can I say.

It is my opinion that I am correct.

I am often accused of being a fence-sitter -- that I cannot come down strongly on one side or the other on questions.

Now I am being accused of being unwilling to concede that I am wrong. (Not talking about your comment here, Andrew)

I must be doing something right!
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 10:24 am
Beware of the man who has no enemies.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 02:45 pm
Frank, the funny thing is that I agree with your views probably 99 percent of the time. (I don't always jump in to say so since you generally don't need backup.) This is the one percent where you and I are in disagreement. My major reason for posting, however, was not so much to register that disagreement as to share my amusement at the fact that you and Craven both seemed to be competing for the prize (whatever it might be) offered by the debating society. It tickled me no end. But I hope we can still be friends.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 03:08 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
Frank, the funny thing is that I agree with your views probably 99 percent of the time. (I don't always jump in to say so since you generally don't need backup.) This is the one percent where you and I are in disagreement. My major reason for posting, however, was not so much to register that disagreement as to share my amusement at the fact that you and Craven both seemed to be competing for the prize (whatever it might be) offered by the debating society. It tickled me no end. But I hope we can still be friends.


Absolutely, Andrew.

And I recognized what you were doing without you even having to explain.

Happy New Year.

We'll battle the good battle together in other threads.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2013 08:06 pm
@Craven de Kere,
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For e.g. there is a simple binary difference between probable and improbable. But in addition to that there are degrees. Anything over 50 is probable, anything under 50 is improbable. But there are degrees of probability beyond that.


Monterey Jack must have missed this lesson. Why didn't you tell him, Frank?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2013 08:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Once you have deemed the odds of an event or circumstance to be greater than 50% -- the event or circumstance is considered to be PROBABLE.

The fact that the odds in favor of any particular event or circumstance are only 51% is of no consequences -- if it is deemed to be over 50%, it is PROBABLE.


I'm not sure if you're mixing math up with language or what, Frank, but I think it would be nice if, just once, you could actually be right about a language issue.

A: It's probably going to rain tomorrow.

B: Is that what the weatherman says?

A: Yup, he said that there was a 60% probability of rain.

B: The day after tomorrow there's a 80% chance of rain. That's a 20% greater probability than tomorrow.

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It is not made even a tiny bit less probable if one can show that some other "probable" event or circumstance has odds of happening a great deal greater than 51% -- say 98 - 99%.


In language, 98-99% is not the realm of "probable/probably". That's where 'must/almost certainly' lie.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2013 08:57 pm
@Roberta,
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I cringed when it no longer became necessary to worry about sentences that ended in prepositions. I cringed when split infinitives were no longer no-nos. And I cringed when I found that some authorities accept unique as a modifiable word.


You were the unwitting target of a group of people who knew nothing or next to nothing about language, Roberta. The proof that these were all silly prescriptions, aka, made up rules, has always been right in front of your noses.

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Grammar Puss

The scandal of the language mavens began in the 18th Century. The London dialect had become an important world language, and scholars began to criticize it as they would any institution, in part to question the authority of the aristocracy. Latin was considered the language of enlightenment and learning and it was offered as an ideal of precision and logic to which English should aspire. The period also saw unprecedented social mobility, and anyone who wanted to distinguish himself as cultivated had to master the best version of English. These trends created a demand for handbooks and style manuals, which were soon shaped by market forces: the manuals tried to outdo one another by including greater numbers of increasingly fastidious rules that no refined person could afford to ignore. Most of the hobgoblins of contemporary prescriptive grammar (don't split infinitives, don't end a sentence with a preposition) can be traced back to these 18th Century fads.

http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/1994_01_24_thenewrepublic.html


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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jan, 2013 06:46 am
@JTT,
NINE YEARS!!!

You are one of the best fans anyone has ever had.

I will never forget this honor, JTT. I thank you for it.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 1 Feb, 2013 08:51 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It's not so much being a fan, Frank, as it is in seeking to stamp out ignorance. But you go ahead and view it in your usual dishonest manner.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 2 Feb, 2013 08:16 am
@JTT,
I will continue to view it as it is, JTT: You are obsessed with me.

Hey, no problem. I actually enjoy it...so keep on "stamping out ignorance." It is a pleasure to watch...and I am honored to be the object of your obsession.

Using Alfalfa's voice:

The object of my affection can change my complexion
From white to rosy red
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 11:04 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I will continue to view it as it is, JTT: You are obsessed with me.


That response is totally in keeping with your dishonest nature, Frank. If you weren't so delusional, you would notice that anyone who advances these lies about language receives the same.

If you weren't so delusional you would have listened to Craven and his argument which should have told you, if you weren't such a blockhead, that you were out to lunch. But thru that whole discussion, you never once addressed the facts. But it should be noted that you are highly diligent in addressing, and sticking to, your delusions.

That discussion was also highly instructive in that it shows that the Frank Apisa reinvention is really the same old Frank dressed up in something you stole right from Craven.

That only highlights your patently dishonest nature.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 11:16 am
@JTT,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5242183)
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I will continue to view it as it is, JTT: You are obsessed with me.


That response is totally in keeping with your dishonest nature, Frank. If you weren't so delusional, you would notice that anyone who advances these lies about language receives the same.

If you weren't so delusional you would have listened to Craven and his argument which should have told you, if you weren't such a blockhead, that you were out to lunch. But thru that whole discussion, you never once addressed the facts. But it should be noted that you are highly diligent in addressing, and sticking to, your delusions.

That discussion was also highly instructive in that it shows that the Frank Apisa reinvention is really the same old Frank dressed up in something you stole right from Craven.

That only highlights your patently dishonest nature.


Yup, you are totally obsessed with me...to the point where you cannot let go even though you realize that responding helps make my point and does damage to yours.

I love you for it.

Keep on comin'!
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 11:44 am
@Frank Apisa,
Not you at all, Frank. I explained that clearly. That you would avoid that describes how you avoid anything pertinent in favor of dishonesty.

I don't like it when no-nothings like you try to correct others for their natural language and I don't like it when dishonest people like you flaunt their dishonesty. Keep doing it, like you could actually stop, and you get the same - me pointing out your lies about language and your mendacious manner.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 11:53 am
@JTT,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5243076)
Not you at all, Frank.


And that is JTT speak for....what????

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I explained that clearly.


You are not being clear about what you explained clearly.

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That you would avoid that describes how you avoid anything pertinent in favor of dishonesty.


Ummm...what can I say. I have no idea of what you are talking about here.

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I don't like it when no-nothings like you try to correct others for their natural language and I don't like it when dishonest people like you flaunt their dishonesty.


Okay. I love it when someone shares with me what they do not like...or what they do like. So thank you for telling me what you do not like.

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Keep doing it, like you could actually stop, and you get the same - me pointing out your lies about language and your mendacious manner.


Okay. Let me know when you do it for the first time...so I can follow up on when you do it again.

Thanks for being here for me, JTT. You are a pal.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 12:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Catch ya later, you paradosian/apisian prevaricator.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 3 Feb, 2013 12:21 pm
@JTT,
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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5243092)
Catch ya later, you paradosian/apisian prevaricator.


I suspect you will, JTT...and I suspect you will still be calling me a liar.

If it makes you feel good to do that...no skin off my nose. As a fan of mine, I want your life to be fun...and even if it cannot be that, to be as bearable as possible.
 

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