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Bonds Convicted

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 05:12 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

Former San Francisco Giants outfielder Barry Bonds, whose record for most home runs in Major League Baseball has been under a cloud, was found guilty of obstruction of justice by a jury.

After eight years and millions of dollars. Was it worth congress's time and our money?




Yup. Drug use in baseball is rampant and he deserves to have an example made of him. If baseball wants to retain its' status as a noncompetitive monopoly, they'll comply with things such as this.

Cycloptichorn


why bonds and not McGuire or Sosa?


This I can also agree with.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 07:00 pm
America must be saved from the continued, alarming expansion of Barry Bonds's enormous noggin.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRffjE_JtglxymYasWxFyyWAC4o50x2UJmgTDVdnKAUjUrTkK9s2w&t=1
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Ragman
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 07:07 pm
@Mame,
But it's not a case of either-or as common (or exotic) criminals can be still prosecuted at the same time with as much fervor as is done with this trial. No matter whether or not any of us at all follow the sport, it's still an industry and the players who play it is/are not above the law.

Contracts, rules and regulations are set up to ensure a level playing field, so to speak. Enforcement of fair practices must be followed so that one group of billionaires doesn't tip things to their advantage. This is not much different than the regulation of any other competitive industry or commercial venture.

Save the Children
The filtering-down of these laws, rules and regulations and enforcement ideally should go down all the way to the Little League children. However, no one has the money for drug for testing to enforce down to this level.

Las Vegas casinos try to catch cheating poker players and have laws set up to do so, etc.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 08:23 pm

Prosecutors proved Barry Bonds was evasive when he testified before a federal grand jury in 2003 about drug injections. But they couldn't prove he was lying - at least not to all 12 jurors.

That was the assessment of jury members who spoke to reporters Wednesday after their split verdict on felony charges against baseball's all-time home run leader: guilty on obstruction of justice, deadlocked on three counts of making knowingly false statements under oath.

On one charge - that Bonds lied by denying that his trainer, Greg Anderson, or anyone other than a doctor had ever injected him with drugs - the vote was 11-1 to convict, jurors said.

But on the charges that were the core of the case - Bonds' denials of having knowingly taken steroids or human-growth hormone - jurors said majorities favored acquittal: 9-3 for the first charge, 8-4 for the second.

Drug-test evidence "shows there was definitely steroid use but didn't show that he knew it," said Fred Jacob, the jury foreman.

Jurors said a majority had not believed either of the prosecution's two key witnesses, Bonds' former mistress Kimberly Bell and Steve Hoskins, his former business manager. Both said Bonds told them he was using steroids, and Bell described changes in Bonds' appearance and behavior that prosecutors attributed to steroid use.

"We felt like we couldn't trust (Bell's) testimony," said a juror named Nyiesha, who like most of the panel members declined to give her last name. Referring to Bell's complaints that Bonds had mistreated her, Nyiesha said, "She had a lot of reasons for not wanting to vouch for Barry."

Jurors "had a lot of difficulty with (Hoskins') testimony because he changed his story quite a bit," said Jacob.

Jurors said they largely discounted Hoskins' secret tape recording of Anderson in which the trainer described injecting someone - Bonds, according to prosecutors - with steroids. They said the tape was practically inaudible and that they were hampered by the lack of a transcript, which was shown to them in court but never admitted into evidence.

"You couldn't really make out a lot of words," said a juror named Jessica. Even the transcript they read while listening to the tape never quoted Anderson as using Bonds' name, she said, so "they could have been talking about anybody."

It was a different story with prosecution witness Kathy Hoskins, Steve Hoskins' sister and Bonds' former personal shopper, who said she saw Bonds getting an injection from Anderson. That was the basis of the false-statement charge that produced the 11-1 deadlock, and jurors said the testimony also led to the conviction for obstruction of justice.

"She really was the most credible, the most heartfelt" witness, said a juror named Steve. He said she gained credibility by saying she was testifying reluctantly against Bonds.

Nyiesha said she was the lone holdout against convicting Bonds of lying about never having been injected by anyone except a doctor.

But all 12 found that he was deliberately evasive when asked whether Anderson had injected him with drugs, and voted to convict him of obstruction.

Jacob, the foreman, said jurors read Bonds' initial response - which referred to his friendship with Anderson, fishing and being the son of another baseball star, Bobby Bonds - and felt like saying, "Come on, you're just telling stories here. Just say yes or no."

The deliberations were generally cordial but included some "tense moments," Nyiesha said. Steve said overwrought jurors burst into tears on two or three occasions.

Jacob said vote tallies changed frequently, but jurors with strong feelings on both sides made unanimous verdicts impossible on three of the counts.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/04/13/MNPD1J0628.DTL#ixzz1JSbHsf4o
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 08:27 pm
@Ragman,
It pisses me off that baseball got so into performance enhancers there for a while. I've already lost trust in basketball, as we discussed, and when the MLB didn't do anything about the quite obvious problem for something like a decade, I started to lose trust in that league as well.

Football is all I have left!

Fortunately, it's the best.

Cycloptichorn
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 09:13 pm
@Ragman,
Yeah, I agree that no one's above the law. That wasn't what my objection was about. And I completely disagree with your view about children. The parents should make sure the kids are informed and make sure they're not into these drugs. I don't see where the Leagues are responsible for this.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 09:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgar, It was a big waste of time and money; it's only a sports (for cry'n out loud!). That money could be well spent elsewhere that really benefits Americans like food and shelter. Even assistance to Japan would have been a better way to spend that money.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 09:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

edgar, It was a big waste of time and money; it's only a sports (for cry'n out loud!). That money could be well spent elsewhere that really benefits Americans like food and shelter. Even assistance to Japan would have been a better way to spend that money.


For reals. They coulda just gotten a rope and gallows, and saved big time.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 10:03 pm
@snood,
Just wanted to add that Bond already paid the ultimate price for his "crime."
His reputation was ruined for life. That's enough of a penalty without charging him with a crime in a court of law that only uses shrinking resources.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 10:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I liked basketball at the beach, the under six foot people. There was a woman as point guard. Wild and wooly games, great sunday mornings.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 10:20 pm
@ossobuco,
Bonds? rolls eyes.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:45 am
@Mame,
The leagues at the lowest levels aren't responsible. I was just indicating how far down it CAN reach. Ultimately prosecution of the top of the food chain is exemplary for those on the bottom. There is no way they'll afford to drug test little league and HS baseball leagues. It remains up to the parents to monitor their children.

There is the risk and attraction for that HS or college baseball phenom has to cheat and use PED: the possibility of getting a 4yr-scholarship. As a stipulation to getting a 4yr scholarship a requirement must exist for passing periodic and random drug testing should be included.

However, it IS up to the major leagues to stick to the existing rules and laws and regulate and/or prosecute or else they provide a slippery slope for the little league and HS phenoms to use PEDs.
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 03:49 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Yes, baseball fell down a notch (or two), but for me it had already fallen from their former elevation with the baseball strike/stoppage a few yrs ago.

Football is about to eat the goose that laid the golden egg if they cause a lock-out. This last one was their best season revenue and ratings. The action on the filed was pretty damned good, too.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:16 am
@ossobuco,
I enjoy women's sports as much as men's sports; they exceed in basketball, baseball, and volleyball. Their skill level match or exceed many men playing those sports.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:36 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yes - and the women that play, play for the love of the game rather than the money - especially as they don't make half.
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Mame
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:36 am
@Ragman,
I actually wonder why anyone cares if they cheat and use steroids. How would that affect most of us? I can see that it's not fair to the athletes who don't take them, but maybe they should have Steroid Sports and non-steroid sports. The money that goes into enforcing this (thinking Olympics here) is ridiculous. Why is it a crime, anyway? It wouldn't be illegal for you to take steroids if you wanted to.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I enjoy women's sports as much as men's sports; they exceed in basketball, baseball, and volleyball. Their skill level match or exceed many men playing those sports.


I disagree with this statement. Not that I don't enjoy women's sports, but there's not much evidence that their skill level exceeds men playing similar sports.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:37 am
@Mame,
Quote:
It wouldn't be illegal for you to take steroids if you wanted to.


Uh, yes, it is illegal. Anabolic steroids are illegal to use without a doc's prescription.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:38 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclo, We're talking a level playing field; not women against men.
Mame
 
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Reply Thu 14 Apr, 2011 10:41 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Oh, okay. And how easy is it to get a script?

And WHY is it illegal?
 

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