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Calling higher prices “a key incentive for conserving,” President Obama told an audience of 500 employees at the Gamesa Technology Corp., a wind turbine manufacturing plant in Pennsylvania, that “we need to get used to higher gas prices for the sake of our environment.”

“There is no gain without at least a little pain,” the President argued. “Paying a few dollars more at the pump will encourage people to cut back on unnecessary trips and use public transit when they have to travel. If we’re going to save the planet we all have to make sacrifices.”

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[+3] - failures art - 04/10/2011Fact: Oil is finite. Knowing this, how is it that people can think that prices will ever do anything but go up? The idea that we should get angry that the price goes up do to this fact is...

@gungasnake,

Rodney: 'Sire, the peasants are revolting!'

King ID: 'You can say that again...'

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It's all Bush's fault.

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@gungasnake,

I don't have a problem with that.

Now tell me why solar, wind, hybrid/electric cars and ethanol are subsidized. In fact, ethanol is not only subsidized, it is mandated, and there is over 1/2 tariff on imports. Surely the same logic that justifies gasoline tax tells us the rest should be taxed as well; not subsidized.

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@roger,

Ethanol special interests gave tons of money to the Obama campaigns for the Senate and the Presidency. They own him.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

I don't have a problem with that.

Now tell me why solar, wind, hybrid/electric cars and ethanol are subsidized. In fact, ethanol is not only subsidized, it is mandated, and there is over 1/2 tariff on imports. Surely the same logic that justifies gasoline tax tells us the rest should be taxed as well; not subsidized.

Meant to say "more than 1/2 dollar per gallon tariff."

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Fact: Oil is finite.

Knowing this, how is it that people can think that prices will ever do anything but go up? The idea that we should get angry that the price goes up do to this fact is reactionary emotionalism.

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@failures art,

Users must pay the real cost of having this kind of energy available.
The same should apply to ethenol corn production. Production cannot continue at the current level without fertilisers. Without fertilisers corn production for ethenol ceases to be commercially viable.

A 2002 report suggested that the production of ammonia (nitrogen fertiliser) consumes about 5% of global natural gas consumption, which is somewhat under 2% of world energy production.

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Fact: Oil is finite.

Phosphate is also a finite resource.

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@roger,

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But an examination of the American tax code indicates that oil production is among the most heavily subsidized businesses, with tax breaks available at virtually every stage of the exploration and extraction process.

Oil Industry Reaps Subsidies

I'd hate to see other energy sources getting the same subsidies oil is.

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@gungasnake,

Yeah right, because we never had high gas prices while under Bush's rule.

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@gungasnake,

The democrats are happy to announce gas prices will be $5.00 per gallon by Labor Day.

... Obama hopes to make even more radical changes that will kill our fragile economy.

This experiment with Obama as president needs to end quick.

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@gungasnake,

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Obunga: "Get used to higher gas prices"

REMEMBER that when he runs for re-election.

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@H2O MAN,

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This experiment with Obama as president needs to end quick.

It might. The thing which has been lacking is for somebody who draws a sufficient quantity of water to stand up and say something, and that situation appears to have changed.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

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But an examination of the American tax code indicates that oil production is among the most heavily subsidized businesses, with tax breaks available at virtually every stage of the exploration and extraction process.

Oil Industry Reaps Subsidies

I'd hate to see other energy sources getting the same subsidies oil is.

Exactly. Subsidies distort markets.

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@H2O MAN,

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This experiment with Obama as president needs to end quick.

time for the next round of "everything will be OK if we just get the right guy in office".....America has deep and long running structural economic and social problems, we have a population that is poorly educated and unrealistic and cheap and greedy....you guys who focus one one or a few individuals being the problem are no less lost than everyone else.

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@roger,

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Exactly. Subsidies distort markets.

so does collusion between the corporate class and the government class, actually the way people move towards government leadership positions and corporate positions now there is not much difference between the two, they are the same people. I saw a few weeks ago a study that shows that already that ex Obama administration individuals are the worst so far when it comes to taking their government resumes and hawking them to the corporate class for personal profit. It used to be frowned upon, but now that person who does not use his "public service" time to collect money and corporate power for himself is seen as a chump. So much for the theory that Obama would attract true believers like JFK and Roosevelt did.

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@hawkeye10,

What has been lost ever since Reagan is an understanding that capitalism is useful as a tool to better the interests of the collective, but when the wealth holders are allowed to do what ever they want they will almost always choose to do what is best for them, which is often not which is best for the collective. Capitalism only works when the people though government can keep and eye and and keep a leash on the holders of wealth. What we have now is a government that works more for the corporate class than it does the overall collective, though government leaders will make the appropriate noises for public consumption when they need the votes or when the public confronts them on being in the pocket of the corporate class. The corporate class has also done a good job of brain washing, the worst of it is that they early on corrupted the University so all of our so called experts have been miseducated on the strengths and weaknesses of capitalism and of proper use of the markets.

I was hoping that the Great Recession would be a wake up call, that we still had time to enact reforms. Nope, we did not learn a thing. It is now clear that we need to do a full blown depression to get to where we need to be. It should not take long to get one.

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@hawkeye10,

On the other hand, you guys that do not think that replacing Obama and his circle of radical progressive liberals with people who's goal is NOT to make every American totally dependent on big federal government for their every need are more lost than everyone else.

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@H2O MAN,

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On the other hand, you guys that do not think that replacing Obama and his circle of radical progressive liberals with people who's goal is NOT to make every American totally dependent on big federal government for their every need are more lost than everyone else.

Who was the last president who did NOT push for big government?

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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On the other hand, you guys that do not think that replacing Obama and his circle of radical progressive liberals with people who's goal is NOT to make every American totally dependent on big federal government for their every need are more lost than everyone else.
Who was the last president who did NOT push for big government?

You have missed my point.

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