raprap
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 07:58 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Not for colorectral cancers, bubbette, it's near the worst in the western world.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 07:58 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I said we have the best CANCER care in the world. That is an established fact.

Actually, it's not an established fact.


We have the best survival rate for certain diagnosed cancers which in no way equates to the best cancer care.
1. some cancer is not all cancers
2. diagnosed cancer is not all cancers
3. The date of diagnosis is not the date cancer first exists.
4. survival rate isn't the only metric for cancer treatment. You have to adjust for other causes of death and age of persons.

For instance there is this..
Quote:
The highest survival rates were found in the U.S. for breast and prostate cancer, in Japan for colon and rectal cancers in men, and in France for colon and rectal cancers in women, Coleman's team reports.

http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20080716/cancer-survival-rates-vary-by-country
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Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 08:03 am
That's pitiful. Really. Fewer people are buying the argument. More people are going against ObamaCare every day. What do you think Nov 2 was all about?

I like my chances of survivial in the USA with my health plan. No thanks to ObamaCare.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 08:07 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Quote:
That's pitiful. Really. Fewer people are buying the argument.

Oh.. they are buying your lack of argument?
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 08:11 am
@parados,
You're losing the debate. Look around you. Do you think Nov 2 was a mirage?
parados
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 08:14 am
Let's see what various fact check sites have to say about your statements Renaldo

http://factcheck.org/2009/09/a-false-appeal-to-womens-fears/
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/10/rudy_miscalculates_cancer_surv.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_bogus_cancer_statistic.html
http://factcheck.org/2009/08/cancer-rates-and-unjustified-conclusions/
http://www.factcheck.org/bogus_cancer_stats_again.html
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 08:15 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

You're losing the debate. Look around you. Do you think Nov 2 was a mirage?

Are you talking about the Democrats in charge of the WH and the Senate?
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 08:19 am
@parados,
Yes. You've been stopped. That's all that matters. ObamaCare is not going to happen. You're going to lose more ground in 2012. More senate seats will be lost along with the presidency. Hope and change is over; we can't afford it.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 09:22 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Quote:
Yes. You've been stopped. That's all that matters. ObamaCare is not going to happen.

Sorry Renaldo. I don't think you understand how government works.
Once a bill becomes law, it isn't overturned without legislation. No such legislation has been or will be passed in the next 4 years.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 09:27 am
@parados,
Ever hear the term "magical thinking"?

So you actually believe that 2010 was a mirage and didn't really happen and everything will swing back your way in 2012? Good luck with that.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 09:34 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Ever hear the term "magical thinking"?

So you actually believe that 2010 was a mirage and didn't really happen and everything will swing back your way in 2012? Good luck with that.

It's called reality Renaldo.

Legislation in the Senate requires 60 votes.
The GOP would need to win 13 of the 20 Democratic seats in 2012.
Good luck with that.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 09:37 am
@parados,
I don't see a problem. You just suffered one of the worst defeats in the history of congress. Let's keep talking about "reality".
parados
 
  1  
Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 09:46 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I don't see a problem. You just suffered one of the worst defeats in the history of congress. Let's keep talking about "reality".

One of the worst defeats in the history of Congress?
Current Congress
Senate - Dems 53 GOP - 47
House - Dems - 193 GOP 241


1992 Congress -
Senate Dems 56 GOP 44
House - Dems - 267 GOP 167

Your standard for "worst defeat" is rather odd Renaldo.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 09:54 am
@parados,
Your post has nothing to do with the present. We are talking about the last election, not 1992. Remember, we are talking about current situations and problems. Focus.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 10:05 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Quote:
You just suffered one of the worst defeats in the history of congress. Let's keep talking about "reality".


Quote:
Your post has nothing to do with the present. We are talking about the last election, not 1992. Remember, we are talking about current situations and problems. Focus.


Renaldo, you're all over the map. Do you understand what "history" means? Are you aware that you raised the "history"?

You make a statement and when you are challenged on your statement, you try to negate your previous statement and "move on" or "focus" or any other inanity that you can come up with at that moment.

You're fond of saying, "we can't move on in the discussion until you've answered such and such". When it gets answered and you don't like the answer, you decide that it's time to pitch that and try another Renaldo angle.

parados
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 10:07 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Your post has nothing to do with the present. We are talking about the last election, not 1992. Remember, we are talking about current situations and problems. Focus.


You wrote this Renaldo
Quote:
You just suffered one of the worst defeats in the history of congress.


I have no problem focusing. You just seem to have a hard time telling the truth and then rather than admitting you didn't tell the truth you try to change the subject.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 10:07 am
@JTT,
I don't like the answer because it makes no sense. I am speaking of 2010, not 1992. Get real.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 10:10 am
@parados,
Show us the number of each party in congress the day before the election of Nov 2, 2010 and now.
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raprap
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 10:11 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
'Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is already made up' right booby?

Whatta macaroon!
parados
 
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Reply Sun 17 Apr, 2011 10:12 am
@Renaldo Dubois,
History is not today. I realize that is a tough concept for you Renaldo.

Today is NOT the future. You claimed you would overturn "Obamacare" and I pointed out that was unlikely because legislation requires 60 Senators to pass.

Wishing that the health care bill will go away won't make it so. It exists as law. It can only be overturned by the courts or the Congress. Neither is likely in the next 2 years.
 

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