then who do you consider a viable scource to recieve information.
every scource that I have brought up has been untrustworthy to you.
You've only discussed two sources that I know of - Glenn Beck, who nobody takes seriously, and FAIR, who has a clear anti-immigrant, right-wing agenda. Neither are trustworthy sources of information on the topics we've discussed.
I don't know if that really counts as 'every.' More like 'both.' But, you could always find an unbiased source to quote if you tried.
but I dont blame you it seems to be a common theme umongst certain individuals in these forums if you have different data from a better source please provide it.
As the proponent of an argument, it's your responsibility to provide credible evidence to support that argument - not mine. You're basically asking me to prove your case, which I have no interest in doing.
what about the university of california who came up with similar conclusions when the 30 million dollars that bankrupted a southern californian hospital, it was found that 15 million was a result of unpaid illegal immigrant health care, while another 5 million was in interest due to the unpaid immigrant health care.
Do you have a link to this? I'd have to evaluate the study itself. It's customary to link to things like this in order to avoid confusion...
A RAND study concluded that the total federal cost of providing medical expenses for the 78% illegal immigrants without health insurance coverage was $1.1 billion
So what? 1.1 billion dollars is nothing at all
. It's inconsequential and not even worth our notice.
how about University of san diego
According to the report, between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals verge on closure, the author writes.
This does not directly state that illegal aliens are the cause of this, so it's not material to the discussion.
what about the INS whos states
Almost $190 million or about 25 percent of the uncompensated costs southwest border county hospitals incurred resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to illegal immigrants
Once again, $190 million dollars is nothing at all. You don't seem to understand how much money is spent on health care in this country, if you think these paltry sums are what drive costs.
which agency do would you consider viable. oh and please give me the statistics that they have found.
Like I said above - I'm not doing your work for you.
This whole line of conversation is, anyway, a diversion from the main line, which is: the ACA not only improves our current HC situation, it is both Constitutional and inherently American. And those who say that it is not generally don't have much of a clue what they are talking about. If you want to argue that the ACA is unconstitutional, because you have a specific argument as to which parts of it are barred by the Constitution - by all means, present it. Same with the concept that it is UnAmerican. Otherwise, I'm forced to repeat that this is boring.