Are you against Christian Sharia Law?

@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I believe you are posting propaganda for Islamic Sharia Law. That makes you my enemy.

I've posted my own thoughts and they have been congruent with non-partisan fact checking. That's not propaganda. You've posted the works of people with a clear political agenda. If any propaganda is in this thread, you brought it. I encourage you to fact check the things you read on site like the ones you've posted. You'll find the degree in which you are being directly deceived.

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@failures art,

You are defending an Imam who supports Sharia Law in the USA. The American people don't want it. It has nothing to do with "religious rights". We're not as stupid as you want us to be. Sorry.

I have no agenda other than keeping my country free. The agenda is on your side.

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@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

You are defending an Imam who supports Sharia Law in the USA. The American people don't want it. It has nothing to do with "religious rights". We're not as stupid as you want us to be. Sorry.

Many people do feel that it is liberally biased. “FactCheck”.org is an affiliate of the Annenberg, Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Bill Ayers and Obama were on their board.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2…
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-bal…
http://albanymediabias.blogspot.com/2008.

It's nice that you use 404 pages as supporting your opinion. It makes so much sense.

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@parados,

I'm right. The mosque near GZ has nothing to do with "religious rights". Your side lost. Accept it and move on.

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@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I'm right. The mosque near GZ has nothing to do with "religious rights". Your side lost. Accept it and move on.

Can you provide support for that with another non existent web page?

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@parados,

I don't have to. The majority of the American people agree with me and we both know it. It's over. No mosque. Keep planning if it makes you happy.

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@Renaldo Dubois,

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I don't have to. The majority of the American people agree with me and we both know it. It's over. No mosque. Keep planning if it makes you happy.

You don't understand how American government works, do you.

There are three equal branches that make up our government as spelled out in the Constitution. There is one branch that our forefathers specifically designed to protect basic rights of minority groups. Can you guess which one that is?

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@maxdancona,

This is not a social studies test. We are talking about Sharia Law. No mosque near GZ and no Sharia Law. Focus. This has nothing to do with the rights of minorities or whatever lame excuse you want to dream up. You keep throwing **** at the wall and hope some of it sticks. Fun to watch.

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@Renaldo Dubois,

First of all, we are talking about Christian Sharia Law. That is what this thread is about as the title indicates. Which leads an interesting question of why you are still here considering the fact that you say you don't believe there is any such thing as Christian Sharia Law.

Second of all (and listen carefully and try to understand since a third grade understanding of social studies is a rather good thing for US citizens to grasp)...

Muslims are a Minority. So Muslim rights are minority rights. The US Constitution protects minority rights, and specifically the rights of religious minorities even against the will of the majority.

This is an important point. And this is why the Judicial Branch (which was established by the US Constitution for this very purpose) has done its duty when it asserted the right to build a mosque at the Park 51 site.

If you had any respect for, or understanding of, the US Constitution you would accept this.

You can read our Constitution here: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

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@maxdancona,

There is no such thing as Sharia Law. Sharia Law is a muslim term.

Rights are rights for everyone. Every person has the same rights whether they are a "minority" or whatever. You don't even know what the hell you're talking about. This has nothing to do with "rights". Why don't you tell us which "rights" are being denied to muslims in the USA.

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@Renaldo Dubois,

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Why don't you tell us which "rights" are being denied to muslims in the USA.

1. Property rights. They have the right to build a house of worship on a piece of property that they own where there is no legal reason that would prevent them (note the key word here is "legal" meaning "having to do with the law". the opinions of people who oppose, distrust and/or hate them is not a legal reason).

2. Presumed innocence (you may know this as "innocence until proven guilty"). You accusing them as being guilty of all sorts of terrible crimes. Of course, under the law they are innocent of any of these crimes until they are convicted by a court with due process.

Also under the US Constitution, guilt by association is not allowed. (I hope I am not using too many confusing concepts for you).

3., 4. and 5. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association and Due process rights. All guaranteed by the US Constitution and protected by our Judicial branch (see the 1st 4th and 5th amendments in the link I posted).

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@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I don't have to. The majority of the American people agree with me and we both know it. It's over. No mosque. Keep planning if it makes you happy.

If the dog hadn't stopped to ****, he would have caught the rabbit.

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@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

You are defending an Imam who supports Sharia Law in the USA.

You've failed to support this claim.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

The American people don't want it.

Correct. People do not want to live under the religious laws of another group. In the US, the primary threat to living under religious law comes from Christians.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

It has nothing to do with "religious rights".

As it has been demonstrated to you, it does.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

We're not as stupid as you want us to be. Sorry.

I don't want you to be stupid. I want you to be smart. Your base info on religious liberties in the USA needs refinement. You need to study more so you can make informed opinions.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I have no agenda other than keeping my country free.

This statement is unresolvable with your other statements. You wish to obstruct the rights of others. This philosophically cannot coexist with maintaining freedom. In other words, the measures you wish to take to "keep [the] country free" involve taking way constitutional freedoms. More accurately, you are fighting for religious entitlement over Muslims.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

The agenda is on your side.

You seem very sensitive to the idea that you have an agenda. Why do you deny it?

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@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

I don't have to.

You're correct. Nobody can force you to support you positions. However doing so, would make them worth considering.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

The majority of the American people agree with me and we both know it.

Given that it's a matter of rights, it doesn't matter. This is an emotional argument. If a majority can deny the constitutional rights of a minority for committing no crime because they feel a certain way, then the foundation of our civil rights collapses.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

It's over. No mosque. Keep planning if it makes you happy.

How is it over if it's still being planned? You keep saying it's over. That's an argumentum ad naseum. Why do you think it will not be eventually built?

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@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

There is no such thing as Sharia Law. Sharia Law is a muslim term.

I think you forgot to type "Christian."

So Christians don't have rules about sex, porn, adultery, abortion, drugs, and homosexuality?

What should we call it if not "sharia?" Make a suggestion.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Rights are rights for everyone. Every person has the same rights whether they are a "minority" or whatever. You don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

These words fundamentally challenge every argument you've made in this thread so far. The rights of Muslims in NYC (and in other places in the USA like TN) are being threatened. Equal application of the law is not being observed.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

This has nothing to do with "rights". Why don't you tell us which "rights" are being denied to muslims in the USA.

Looks like maxdoncona beat me top the punch on this. You should read and consider his reply. Remember, you asked.

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@failures art,

Has any Christian attempted to stop you from watching your porn movie? Has any Christian attempted to stop you from snorting your coke?

Tell us how those mean nasty Christians have disrupted your life.

When are you going to tell us which rights muslims are being denied in the USA. Still waiting.

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@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Has any Christian attempted to stop you from watching your porn movie?

Actually yes. See obscenity laws. Even more common, is the classification of films in regard to adult situations.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Has any Christian attempted to stop you from snorting your coke?

Well, I don't use coke or any other elicit drug, and even if they were legal, I don't think I'd being doing them. Others might not feel the same. Either way, they've been made illegal. The current laws will probably remain due to social and health justifications, but they were put in place because of Christian mores.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Tell us how those mean nasty Christians have disrupted your life.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

When are you going to tell us which rights muslims are being denied in the USA.

Property rights.
Presumed innocence.
Freedom of speech.
Freedom of association.
Due process.

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

Still waiting.

You are not waiting. You've been told multiple times. I think before you make any more requests from other people, you should start answering other people's questions. Quite a large queue of unanswered questions is building.

A good summary was already written here: http://able2know.org/topic/169134-24#post-4585469

You cannot claim you are still waiting. Your request was answered in detail multiple times. You asked. It was answered.

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What a pile of BS. No Christian has even stopped you from doing anything. Laws are passed by legislatures, not churches.

Of course I have left a lot of unanswered questions. I am only replying to your first point. I told you I would not answer any post that broke up my words. Are you stupid or just have a short memory?

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@Renaldo Dubois,

Renaldo Dubois wrote:

What a pile of BS. No Christian has even stopped you from doing anything. Laws are passed by legislatures, not churches.

You are moving the goalposts. You asked about Christians, not churches. I simply answered your question. The Congresses that have passed the laws that constrict these things (drugs, porn, etc), what religion were it's members?

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