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Are you against Christian Sharia Law?

 
 
Anarkatheist
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 06:41 pm
@maxdancona,
I'm happy people like you, or even worse, have a vote to determine the outcome of my life.
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failures art
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 07:56 pm
@maxdancona,
I've been saying for a while now that the religious conservatives in the US have only themselves to fear in terms of breaking down the wall between church and state. I think their anxiety is rather revealing.

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R
T
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 13 Mar, 2011 11:08 pm
@maxdancona,
I am neither religious nor conservative.

However, no...theocracies suck.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 05:49 pm
What is a nation's laws based strictly on the Bible (and the interpretations of it by an elite class) called?

It certainly isn't "Sharia" or "Christian Sharia," and, in fact, you will offend quite a few Muslims using the latter.

What nation is ruled by Bible based law?

What recognized political party or significant social organization is calling for Bible based law?

Sharia is civil law based on the word of God as recorded in the Koran.

Narrow minded absolutism, no matter what the underlying belief system is, can be scary and dangerous, and I would have as much trouble with Bible based law as Sharia, but the two are not remotely comparable in scope of the threat posed.

I suppose it makes some folks feel better to lump fundamentalist Christians with fundamentalist Muslims, and at their worst, they are essentially the same, but their relative impact on the US and the world isn't even close.

High levels of radioactivity will kill you as dead as a head on collision at 75mph, but which one has a greater impact on people?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 06:19 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

High levels of radioactivity will kill you as dead as a head on collision at 75mph, but which one has a greater impact on people?


Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee (three prominent Republicans who very well might make a run for president) have all said that US laws are, and should be, based on the Bible. I doubt that anyone running for the Republican nomination would dare to say otherwise (and I would love for you to give an example).

Political movements and arguments against social issues, most prominently abortion and same sex marriage, are religion based. The only real arguments being made against same sex marriage are religious arguments (abortion is a more complex issue).

There is rising right wing hate groups, many using blatantly Christian rhetoric in the US that are murdering abortion doctors and beating homosexuals and minorities. Among home grown terrorists (as opposed to foreign terrorists) these attacks are having a far more profound impact.

There are many places in the US that have very poor access to abortions because doctors are terrorized by the murders of doctors. Tell me another form of terrorism in the US that is actually having the impact that the terrorists intended.

I am far more worried by Christian extremism in the US than Muslim extremism.

ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 15 Mar, 2011 07:29 pm
@maxdancona,
Good point.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 02:49 am
@maxdancona,
Quote:

High levels of radioactivity will kill you as dead as a head on collision at 75mph, but which one has a greater impact on people?
maxdancona wrote:

Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee (three prominent Republicans who very well might make a run for president) have all said that US laws are, and should be, based on the Bible. I doubt that anyone running for the Republican nomination would dare to say otherwise (and I would love for you to give an example).

Political movements and arguments against social issues, most prominently abortion and same sex marriage, are religion based. The only real arguments being made against same sex marriage are religious arguments (abortion is a more complex issue).

There is rising right wing hate groups, many using blatantly Christian rhetoric in the US that are murdering abortion doctors and beating homosexuals and minorities. Among home grown terrorists (as opposed to foreign terrorists) these attacks are having a far more profound impact.

There are many places in the US that have very poor access to abortions because doctors are terrorized by the murders of doctors. Tell me another form of terrorism in the US that is actually having the impact that the terrorists intended.



I am far more worried by Christian extremism in the US than Muslim extremism.
Yeah, because the Christians
drive so many planes into tall buildings
.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 07:39 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:

. Tell me another form of terrorism in the US that is actually having the impact that the terrorists intended.



I am far more worried by Christian extremism in the US than Muslim extremism.
Yeah, because the Christians
drive so many planes into tall buildings
.


Are you staying out of tall buildings David? Is anyone you know afraid of tall buildings out of fear of terrorists?

It seems you missed the point David.

But congratulations, your spelling is improving.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:41 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
The 10 commandments are not only foreign and religious, they are from a culture that stoned young girls.

No, they are from God.
Anarkatheist
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 11:55 am
@Ticomaya,
But god doesn't exist!
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 01:23 pm
@Anarkatheist,
Good luck with that.
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Anarkatheist
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 01:37 pm
Really, i am afraid of any group who decides certain aspects of life for me. Whether the fools have their opinions based on the Bible, or Karl Marx, its not the people that's frightening, its their power. The only reason you don't support 'Christian Sharia Law' is because you are not Christian. Same for everything else, the only reason you are afraid of socialist laws, is because you are not a socialist.

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 05:26 pm
@Ticomaya,
So God is responsible for the law of Moses that mandates killing young girls for having sex? I don't want this guy to have anything to do with our modern society.

Anarkatheist
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 11:53 pm
@maxdancona,
But if a majority thinks it to be right, doesn't that make it right? Isn't that how democracy works? You DO believe a democratic society is best right?
WendyLou
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2011 12:07 am
@maxdancona,
The separation of Church and State is essential for mankind's freedom of choice. Not everybody is religious and those people who belong to different religions would not fall under the umbrella of Sharia law, especially today.
Homosexuality is not a "choice" but the way a person actually 'is'. If you believe God made people, then he made homosexual people as well. I have no problem with no drugs, pornography, and sex only within marriage. Sadly, in some instances, abortions are required to save the life of a mother. Also in a situation where a woman has been raped. Sharia law is archaic in either the muslim or Christian faiths. Totally at odds with today's modern world. We have moved out of the era of leather sandals, long robes and living in a cave.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2011 05:29 am
@Anarkatheist,
Anarkatheist wrote:
But if a majority thinks it to be right, doesn't that make it right?
Isn't that how democracy works? You DO believe a democratic society is best right?
There was a time that the majority
thawt that the Earth was flat and that u'd fall off the end,
if u sailed too far out. I remain skeptical of that.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2011 05:37 am
@parados,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Quote:

. Tell me another form of terrorism in the US that is actually having the impact that the terrorists intended.



I am far more worried by Christian extremism in the US than Muslim extremism.
Yeah, because the Christians
drive so many planes into tall buildings
.
parados wrote:
Are you staying out of tall buildings David?
No.



parados wrote:
Is anyone you know afraid of tall buildings out of fear of terrorists?
That was among the arguments against re-building the World Trade Center.
It was alleged that no one woud have the courage to rent in it.
That appears to have prevailed.





parados wrote:
It seems you missed the point David.
What 's the point that I missed?




parados wrote:
But congratulations, your spelling is improving.
For most of my life, I was fully paradigmatic in my spelling,
being distracted by other concerns.
I used to correct my secretaries' spelling, b4 signing their stenografy,
b4 thay began to use computers with spellcheck.

If I wanna spell that way,
I 'm perfectly able to do it.





David
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Anarkatheist
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2011 07:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Precisely my point? But more on the grounds of ethics and law, rather than supernatural beliefs.

Obviously, being an Anarchist and all, I don't believe in majority rule, or any kind of involuntary actions brought upon human beings.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2011 05:04 pm
@WendyLou,
Sharia is Islamic sacred law, it cannot be Christian, or Shinto, or , heaven forbid, Jewish.

While there are indeed people who believe that our laws should be based on Judeo-Christian principles (and to a certain extent they are), none of the conservatives Max cited believe that our laws should be taken literally from the Christian holy book, the Bible.

None of them are looking to codify the Ten Commandments as the law of the land.

Not so with proponents of Sharia.

The vast difference is that there are no serious political figures or parties; no significant social organizations in America (or anywhere in the West, for that matter) who wish to use the text of the Bible as the literal source of our laws.

Make no mistake about it though, Sharia is intended to depend on the interpretive skills of the Muslim priest class, not only because the Koran is subject to interpretation, but because Sharia is also based on the life and actions of The Prophet.

I have no problem whatsoever with a people looking to their religious principles to guide their law making. This is perfectly natural. It is not, however, the case of Sharia. The Faithful believe that man cannot, nor should he try, to incorporate Koranic principles in his civil laws, because that implies that man is capable of deciding which of these principles should be codified and to what extent. That amounts to blasphemy.

I have a tremendous problem with anyone who wishes to use any sacred text as the literal source for our laws. The fact of the matter is that this is not a serious threat from Christians in this country.

It really is stunning how so many liberals are desperate to cast American Christians as religious bogeymen, while not only calling for tolerance of fundamentalist Muslims, but deriding any expressed concern for them.

There is a pathologically induced illogic to it.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2011 06:52 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

It really is stunning how so many liberals are desperate to cast American Christians as religious bogeymen, while not only calling for tolerance of fundamentalist Muslims, but deriding any expressed concern for them.


It shouldn't be that surprising. Conservative Christians are far from "religious bogeyman". Assaults on homosexuals and minorities are real. Murders of doctors are real. To say that Christian fundamentalism does not pose a real threat of violence and hatred in American society (not consider its divisive role in our politics) is ridiculous. When Muslims act this way, I react in the same way.

The point is equality. It seems like the crux of your argument is that Muslims are fundamentally different than Christians. Of course, under our Constitutional democracy this point is irrelevant. Even so, the fact that you are arguing as though Muslims are some monolithic group that you, as an opponent, can have some sort of intimate knowledge is as ridiculous as it is irrelevant.

My my point is this
Christians and Muslims should be treated equally.
Do you have a problem with that?
 

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