Christians are successfully using terrorism in the US to limit access to abortion?
This has to be one of the most ludicrous statements I've seen posted in this forum.
According to the CDC, since 1973 there have been approx 50 million abortions in the US. That's an average of 1.35 million abortions a year, and clearly the rate increased over the years following 1973.
How many abortions do you think Christian extremists have prevented?
According to the National Abortion Federation (NAF), violence directed at abortion clinics and doctors since 1977 has resulted in
8 murders: 4 Doctors, 2 Clinic Employees, 1 Security Guard and 1 Clinic Escort
17 attempted murders
383 Death threats
153 incidents of assault and battery
Let's liberally assume that each incident resulted in 1,000 less abortions than might otherwise have been conducted.
The totality of this anti-abortion violence would have resulted in about 1% fewer abortions.
Assuming all of these violent acts were perpetrated by Christian extremists, we would have to say they have had a pretty pathetic success rate.
The notion that "Christian terrorism" has had a measurable impact, let alone a significant or successful impact, on the US abortion rate is utter nonsense.
Let's include the KKK among Christian extremists: It's hard to find an agreed upon number of deaths caused by the KKK, but from what I have read the number is around 2,000 since the creation of the Klan in 1865. 1500 hundred of these deaths are thought to have occurred between 1865 and 1877.
Since we are comparing the scope of the threats of "current" extremism, let's start our period of currency at 1990.
If the KKK was responsible for 100 deaths since 1990, that is a stretch, but let's use it.
The horrific Oklahoma City bombing resulted in 168 deaths. I would argue that McVeigh was not a Christian extremist, but let's, for the sake of discussion, assume he was and count his crime in the tally.
Eric Rudolph was clearly a Christian Terrorist and his crimes resulted in 2 deaths.
Add the 8 NAF cited numbers (that begin in the 70's) to the toll and we have a total of 278 deaths
That is less than 10% of the number of deaths resulting from a single
Islamist terrorist act: 9/11.
From a standpoint of what most people consider a meaningful threat (injury and death), Muslim extremists clearly constitute a greater threat to Americans than their Christian counterparts.
But you argument seems to be that Islamists can only
kill and maim us while Christian extremists can rob us of our freedoms.
Any consideration of what has transpired in the last twenty to thirty years will indicate this is an absurd claim.
Abortions are full steam ahead in the USA. The rate may have dropped a bit in the last couple of years, but this is an indicator of terrorism?
Legalized same sex marriage is making steady gains.
Prayer in school has been abolished and the 9th Circuit ruled that because God is mentioned in the Pledge of Allegiance, that the Pledge could not be mandated.
The ratio of "Happy Holiday" to "Merry Christmas" cards is about 8:1 in any chain store in America.
Creationist "victories" have been few and far between.
The examples go on and on.
In this thread, I make no value judgment on these trends. They are what they are.
What they are though is proof positive that the Christian Extremist bogeyman is utter nonsense.
Now, since you reject a comparison of body count, let's turn to a more subtle interpretation of effectiveness.
Lately there was a controversy about a Canadian production wherein Pamela Anderson portrayed the Virgin Mary and was profane in her scripted lines.
I will accept your argument when Pam and her other friends go on TV to portray in the same way the story of Mohammed.
Of course they will not, because they are afraid that lunatic Islamists will kill them.
Salman Rushdie has had to fear for his life since 1989 because of an Islamist fatwa ordering the Ummah to kill him because he wrote "The Satanic Verses."
Has Andres Serrano (The creator of the "Piss Christ") or Chris Ofili (The creator of a montage titled "Madonna;" incorporating elephant dung) been on the run since their "art" premiered? Do they have to move their location frequently and hire bodyguards?
Bill Maher produced an anti-Christian film and is free to visit his local Starbucks on a daily basis, and cast all sorts of sexist insults against conservative women.
Theo Van Gogh produced an anti-Muslim film and was shot 8 times by a Muslim extremist who tried to cut Van Gogh's head off and left two knives in his body; to one which was attached a 5 page note that threatened Western countries, Jews and Ayaan Hirsi Ali (who, herself, had to go into hiding thereafter).
To paraphrase The Mahdi (Olivier style):
Whisper in my ear Max Pasha, who are the extremists?