@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Again, you presume America is a Christian nation.
Again, I disagree.
As you well know, I don't believe this. I am not wounded by the obvious strawman you're so enthusiastically stabbing with your poorly sharpened bayonet.
It doesn't have to be a Christian nation for what I have said to be true. Further, given that our military/police institutions are being more and more religiously integrated, you're hiding behind a fig leaf.
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
When an American kills a Taliban soldier who is trying to kill him, it's not a Christian killing a Muslim.
Not so fast. It very well can be. Further, your framing of such a statement is inherently biased.
Consider if the Iranian Army was to invade your town, would you fight back? If a christian citizen fought back, would it be fair to say that the Iranians in a purely secular manner killed a radical christian in self defense?
More over, your example does precious little to address a more common situation such as unarmed civilians being gunned down at a road checkpoints due to some inability to follow directions (usually linguistic barriers). We know this kind of situation took place due to logs revealed via wikileaks. So is it shoot first, Taliban later?
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Obviously we are not there to irradicate Islam or our soldiers would not be aiding and training Muslims.
Strawman. I never said that we are there to irradicate Islam, I said Christians are killing more Muslims than the other way around.
The whole point of this is that in the USA, we have been sold the idea that we are under a religious threat from Islam. In the simplest terms, the only group in the position to
and attempting to institute theological measures in the USA are Christians (and perhaps additionally Jews considering foreign policy regarding Israel). That said, on the matter of threat, use of force, and collateral death toll, we have
demonstrated ourselves to be a much greater threat to human life than any enemy (state actor or non-state actor) we have been sold on. Such a justification can only exist in the mind of a person who views human life's value to be based on either (1) geography, (2) religion, or (3) both.
Said demonstrations have also had a larger American casualty number than the sum of
all terrorist acts on the USA. The irony here is that these deaths are used to justify the threat when the liability for such a loss of human life, is no less (perhaps more so), rests with those who instigated said military actions.
Here are some questions for you:
1) How many innocent civilian deaths symbolizes recklessness?
2) How many innocent civilian deaths symbolizes moral indifference?
3) At what death count are we the most evil thing in the dessert?
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are being an idiot on this one.
You're not sorry, and I'm not an idiot.
Here, watch this video, and bathe in how ignorant you are about the religious indoctrination of our military. This is a video of a
mandatory march at Camp Pendleton (just north of San Diego) to a cross erected there.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/Hq9Qk1UXG1g[/youtube]
Quote:...that’s not a chaplain delivering that Christian sermon (beginning at 3:36 in the video); that was the battalion’s sergeant major, Jeffrey D. Moses, and the Marine speaking right before him was the battalion commander, Lt. Col. Benjamin T. Watson. Get that? The superiors that a non-Christian or non-religious Marine should be able to go to when they have an issue with being forced to participate in religious exercises are the ones who are leading these forced religious exercises...
From a 2009 USMC article on the official website:
Quote:If you look way up to the top of the hill, you will see a cross,’ said Col. Daniel J. O’Donohue, the commanding officer of 1st Marine Regiment. ‘It is the heart of 1st Marines. It’s a monument put up by Marines for Marines
source
If you'd like more, we can talk about what has been happening at the USAF academy in Colorado in the last decade as fundamentalist christian groups from neighboring Colorado Springs have infiltrated the school.
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