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If someone is against abortion...

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:11 am
There has been abortion since the beginnings of society, I will bet. Keeping it legal makes it a lot safer than alley operations and self administered attempts. I don't think anybody alive truly likes the fact of abortion, but it is a reality that will never go away in our lifetimes. I say, keep it funded and legal, with reasonable restrictions, such as no late term abortions, except in cases of life or death, etc.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 10:49 am
@sahanley,
sahanley wrote:

Did you ever think it might be all these "safety nets" we have in place that encourage people to be irresponsible with their actions?
If people knew they would have to own up to their own behavior they wouldn't do it in the first place.


Don't worry, be irresponsible... forget about being held accountable for your actions, big liberal progressive government will see to all of your needs as long as you vote for democrats.


My feelings about abortion is that it is a personal matter for women that become pregnant... individuals (male & female) should educate themselves on the matter of abortion and if at all possible, learn how to avoid getting into this terrible position in the first place. The federal government should not be involved.
chai2
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 11:42 am
@sahanley,
sahanley wrote:

Did you ever think it might be all these "safety nets" we have in place that encourage people to be irresponsible with their actions? If people knew they would have to own up to their own behavior they wouldn't do it in the first place.


It doesn't really matter what I think about this.

It is not my position to be a member of the morality police.

My comment was quite simple and straightforward.

I'll ask it directly to you again....

Would you rather pay for condoms, birth control pills, implants etc., OR would you rather pay for the child and mother through welfare for years?

People are not going to stop having sex, and you or I are not present at the moment people initiate sex to tell them they are being irresponsible.


To answer the question posed in the title of this thread;

If someone is against abortion, they should be willing to contribute to the cost of making reliable birth control available, rather than have the financial burden thousands of times greater forced on them via direct costs and the cost in terms other than dollars, to society.

Again, my direct question to you is, would you rather pay for condoms, or the welfare, medicaid, the cost of their education, etc etc etc.?

If you answer you would rather not pay for either, you've got your head in the sand.

ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 12:10 pm
@sahanley,
sahanley wrote:

the underlying principle to all those related topics, is that we should not to anything to interfere with procreation; ie wear condoms, or murder babies.


I doubt she or he will volunteer to pay for condoms.
chai2
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 12:12 pm
@ossobuco,
missed that sentence.
thanks osso.

well then, she'll be paying for some of those babies <shrugs>

her choice.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 12:45 pm
So congress dropped plan parenthood but still funds nascar... odd that, you'd think the two would go hand in hand.
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JPB
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 12:57 pm
@H2O MAN,
I almost agree with you except your position leaves abortion available only for those who can afford it.
sahanley
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 02:11 pm
@chai2,
I do not want to pay for condoms, murdering babies, welfare, social security, medicaid, food stamps, or any other socialist program. Let people think for themselves, realize the consequences of their actions and stand on their own two feet. The more people like you want to "help others" (for your own selfish reasons really), the more depraved we get as a nation, the bigger/more powerful government gets, and the smaller my paycheck gets.
Aside from someone else's guilt and/or selfish reasons, why is it "fair" for me to give up my property for someone else that makes bad choices? We are breeding a country of simpletons who think they can go through life with other people cleaning up their messes. Let's start raising adults again and not a bunch of crybabies with their hands out. Let's reward good behavior and not bad. I should have to explain to my family why we can't buy the toys they want, or go on the vacation we want, or have to buy less food, or healthcare, or whatever because half my paycheck goes to knuckleheads who can't control themselves? Tell me how that makes sense.
And I think you have your head somewhere as well.
boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 02:34 pm
@sahanley,
Quote:
or any other socialist program


Like social security, medicare, fire departments, police departments, public education, etc., etc., etc.?
sahanley
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 02:42 pm
@boomerang,
when did anyone ever say the police departments, or fire departments were socialist programs? I never heard that in my life; now you're just getting wacky. You guys go be good commies, and I'll leave you alone. I don't want my computer to get wet from all the "bleeding hearts" here anyway.
Toodles.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 03:04 pm
@sahanley,
sahanley wrote:

when did anyone ever say the police departments, or fire departments were socialist programs? I never heard that in my life; now you're just getting wacky. You guys go be good commies, and I'll leave you alone. I don't want my computer to get wet from all the "bleeding hearts" here anyway.
Toodles.

Whew. Got a real nut here.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 03:05 pm
Yup, another one that doesn't read, apparently.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 03:11 pm
@sahanley,
Quote:
I never heard that in my life;


I have a feeling that there are a lot of things that you've never heard of in your life due to the fact that it's much easier to be a judgmental bitch than it is to care about anyone other than yourself.
chai2
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 03:15 pm
@sahanley,
sahanley wrote:

I do not want to pay for condoms, murdering babies, welfare, social security, medicaid, food stamps, or any other socialist program.


You may not want to, but you have to pay for either one or the other.

Which will it be?

All you are doing is avoiding my question.

Again, putting your head in the sand. Which by the way, is nothing like where you are suggesting my head is.
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chai2
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 03:18 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:

Quote:
I never heard that in my life;


I have a feeling that there are a lot of things that you've never heard of in your life due to the fact that it's much easier to be a judgmental bitch than it is to care about anyone other than yourself.


Don't you get it boomer?

Paying for all those things, the police, fire department, having a decent infrasturcture is purely voluntary.

The only thing we are being forced to pay for are abortions.

Didn't you get the memo?
boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 03:27 pm
@chai2,
Well no wonder s/he's so dang mad!

Next time someone comes by asking me to donate to the Abortionist's Ball I'm just going to tell them "No! Dadgumit. I paid my taxes."
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2011 09:21 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

I almost agree with you except your position leaves abortion available only for those who can afford it.

Affordable Walt Mart abortions for everyone!
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 12:53 am
@chai2,
Quote:
Don't you get it boomer? Paying for all those things, the police, fire department, having a decent infrasturcture is purely voluntary.
Dont you get it ? When you are told you will pay for rapists and murderers to go about their work you will have some idea of how the religious feel. Till then, try to imagine you are a caring human and dont want to make the problem worse.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 12:57 am
@gungasnake,
Quote:
These kinds of issues need to be decided by plebiscite votes and settled.
Its interesting to note they declare these matters to be a conscience vote but apparently only the conscience of a handful of politicians count. That plebiscite is exactly what should happen.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 25 Feb, 2011 10:07 pm
Fatuous comments abound!

There is no one answer to this question, however, it is utterly ignorant to pose it, no matter how clever the poser may think he or she may be.

Without making a value judgment, someone who has no qualms about snuffing out perspective life, whether it be a zygote or a 8 month fetus is bound to find it odd that pro-lifers are also opponents of birth control.

If you think a fetus is nothing more than a lump of cells, why do you feel this is the foundation of an aggressive effort of persuasion?

It's clear where you come down on this topic, but you might benefit from trying (really) to understand what your opposition believes, and not make silly pronouncements about how odd their positions may be.

 

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