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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 08:09 am
Last night, did you hear questions from reporters about problems, plans, progress, or strategy in Iraq? Maybe one that was vaguely related?

No, you heard questions about 'will you now apologize' or 'don't you wish to apologize' (four times), or 'what do you say the negative polls' yadda yadda. This was as deplorable liberal president-bashing as I've ever seen in a news conference in my lifetime. I was ashamed of the press.

I would be the first to say Bush is about the worst extemporaneous speaker we've ever had as a president. I don't vote for presidents or rate their performance on their speaking style however.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 08:57 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Last night, did you hear questions from reporters about problems, plans, progress, or strategy in Iraq? Maybe one that was vaguely related?

No, you heard questions about 'will you now apologize' or 'don't you wish to apologize' (four times), or 'what do you say the negative polls' yadda yadda. This was as deplorable liberal president-bashing as I've ever seen in a news conference in my lifetime. I was ashamed of the press.

I would be the first to say Bush is about the worst extemporaneous speaker we've ever had as a president. I don't vote for presidents or rate their performance on their speaking style however.


You are quite correct on that last comment, Fox.

But doesn't it bother you at least a bit that he obviously is a goddam moron?

It's not just that he is not quick on his feet -- or erudite. The man thinks like a teenager. His focus is adolescent.

Except to ideologues to whom "Repulican" and "conservative" are important, the man is an absolute embarrassment.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 09:43 am
blatham, he didn't answer the question of why he and Cheney are attending the 9/11 commission hearing together is because neither have or will get a fair shake from the press.

If either should have a lapse in sequence or give any innocent difference in recollection in extemporaneous testimony, they will be crucified by the press and they know it. I wonder if Bill Clinton and Al Gore would agree to testify separately for the same reason.

Given the dismal performance by an irresponsible press corps last night, I do not blame them in the least.
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 10:11 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bush/Cheney '04: Four More Wars
Bush/Cheney '04: Leave no billionaire behind
Bush/Cheney '04: Deja-voodoo all over again!
Bush/Cheney '04: Compassionate Colonialism
Bush/Cheney '04: Because the truth just isn't good enough.
Bush/Cheney '04: Making the world a better place, one country at a
time.
Bush/Cheney '04: Over a billion Whoppers served.
Bush/Cheney '04: Putting the "con" in conservatism
Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks for not paying attention.
Bush/Cheney '04: The last vote you'll ever have to cast.
Bush/Cheney: Asses of Evil
Don't think. Vote Bush!
George W. Bush: A brainwave away from the presidency
George W. Bush: The buck stops Over There
Bush/Cheney '04: This time, elect us!


It would be funnier if it wasn't so true Confused
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Kara
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 10:14 am
Quote:
I was ashamed of the press.


I could not agree with you more. They are a bunch of wimps, and they pretended to ask hard questions when all they asked were quarrelsome and whiny ones. Of course, there is a possibility that they knew they might embarrass him on national TV if they asked a question with any three syllable words in it. But, then, the press may not know many of those either.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 10:52 am
I like what I heard on the radio this morning. The analyst said that we made allies out of governments that do not have democratic principals as their philosophy to govern, and yet we used them to force democracy on Iraq by expending our military and fortunes in a country that wasn't even a threat to the American People. Even with all the sacrifices made during the past year, this admnistration still doesn't have an exit strategy, or how to handle the long-term future of stablizing that part of the middle east, because we've made more enemies out of former 'friends.' We don't need "sincerity" out of GWBush; we need to get his admission that they made a mistake, and take responsibility for it.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 11:00 am
Kara, GWB knows lots of words with three or more syllables. He usually mispronounces them, but he knows them. Smile
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 11:05 am
To the rest of you elite who judge via style.....I agree Bush isn't a good extemporaneous speaker. But I would rather hear a man speak unscripted and uncoached from conviction and the heart than hear the smooth, oiled, slick oratory of a politician who speaks from the carefully crafted script designed to evoke emotion from those who decide on feelings instead of facts.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 11:06 am
Foxfyre, Exactly what "facts" are you crediting GWBush with?
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Kara
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 11:17 am
Quote:
Kara, GWB knows lots of words with three or more syllables. He usually mispronounces them, but he knows them.


LOL, Foxfyre. Tony Blair spoke recently of "the nascent democracy" in Iraq. The thought came to my mind unbidden that, if he heard Tony Blair using that word, George might have thought the PM was referring to "nation" building. Smile
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 11:20 am
faith based "facts" are about as reliable as faith based "intelligence" and that George, he sure got his faith down pat sans a script.(but then he says he does not read anyway so what good would a script be?)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 11:24 am
I've posted this on another forum, but it needs to be posted here.
*********************
Mr. Bush's Press Conference
April 14, 2004

Happily, President Bush finally held a prime-time news
conference last night. Unhappily, he failed to address
either of the questions uppermost in Americans' minds: how
to move Iraq from its current chaos, and what he has
learned from the 9/11 investigations.

Mr. Bush was grave and impressive while reading his opening
remarks, which focused on the horrors of terrorism and the
great good that could come from establishing a free and
democratic Iraq. No one in the country could disagree with
either thought. But his responses to questions were
distressingly rambling and unfocused. He promised that Iraq
would move from the violence and disarray of today to full
democracy by the end of 2005, but the description of how to
get there was mainly a list of dates when good things are
supposed to happen.

There was still no clear description of exactly who will
accept the sovereignty of Iraq from the coalition on June
30. "We'll find out that soon," the president said, adding
that U.N. officials are "figuring out the nature of the
entity we'll be handing sovereignty over" to. In Mr. Bush's
mind, whatever happens next now appears to be the
responsibility of the United Nations. That must have come
as a surprise to the U.N. negotiators and their bosses, who
have not agreed to accept that responsibility and do not
believe that they have been given the authority to make
those decisions.

Mr. Bush did concede that the Iraqi security forces had not
performed well during the violence and that more American
troops would probably be needed. But his rhetoric,
including the repetition of the phrase "stay the course,"
did not seem to indicate any fresh or clear thinking about
Iraq, despite the many disturbing events of recent weeks.

The second issue that has overwhelmed the nation in recent
days is the 9/11 investigating commission. While repeatedly
expressing his grief over the deaths related to the
terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, Mr. Bush
seemed to entertain no doubts about the rightness of his
own behavior, no questions about whether he should have
done something in response to the domestic terrorism report
he received on Aug. 6, 2001.

The United States has experienced so many crises since Mr.
Bush took office that it sometimes feels as if the nation
has embarked on one very long and painful learning curve in
which every accepted truism becomes a doubt, every
expectation a question mark. Only Mr. Bush somehow seems to
have avoided any doubt, any change.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/14/opinion/14WED1.html?ex=1082943612&ei=1&en=33a76cc5cfbcb1eb

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 11:29 am
Hot off the press.
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A Prime Time to Ask The President Questions

By Tom Shales

"When I say something, I mean it," George W. Bush said decisively near
the end of last night's prime-time presidential news conference. Nobody
called out, "When will you say something?" -- the White House press corps is too mannerly for that -- but some reporters, and some viewers, must have been thinking it.

One network reporter predicted accurately beforehand that Bush would vow to "stay the course" in Iraq -- reviving one of the most inescapable
clichés of daddy Bush's years in office. What the people of the United
States as well as the people of Iraq want to hear, the reporter said, is
what "the course" is. Bush said he would stick to the June 30 deadline for
handing the government over to Iraqis but also said the U.S. military
presence there would continue after that date.

It probably didn't shock viewers that there was little new in Bush's 17
minutes of prepared remarks or the stilted question-and-answer session that followed. Over the years, not a lot of real news has been made at
presidential news conferences anyway. The point of this one may have been to reassure the country that the president stands firm in his determination after weeks of bloody violence against U.S. troops in Iraq, the worst fighting and the most American casualties since Iraq was declared "liberated."

"Not his favorite venue" was how Paula Zahn of CNN described Bush's
attitude toward news conferences. He's had only 12 since taking office, and this was only the third to air live in prime time. One reporter even asked Bush if what we had here was a failure to communicate. Had he not clearly articulated his intentions to the American people? "Gosh, I don't know," Bush said in what seemed an unguarded, honest moment.

Bush similarly struggled, a few minutes earlier, to cite the single
biggest mistake of his presidency. He looked baffled and incredulous. "I'm
sure something will pop into my head here," he said, noting the intense
"pressure" of holding a news conference on TV. Of course people watching throughout the country expect a president to be able to handle that kind of pressure without blinking, based on the assumption that this is one of the milder forms of pressure that come with the office.

Earlier still, Bush stopped in mid-answer and for a few seconds appeared
to have lost his train of thought. Looking anxious, he fell back on phrases
and thoughts he'd used earlier, saying he and the world changed after 9/11, which was a truism, and that in the 21st century, America is no longer protected by the oceans on either side. But that's been true since the invention of nuclear weapons and of missiles to deliver them from halfway around the world.

After the news conference, CBS News anchor Dan Rather said Bush had come across as "steady, competent and forceful" while answering questions but that he delivered his opening statement "in a rather flat monotone," perhaps intentionally. It was a peculiar performance; Bush would look down, read a sentence, look up, look around, pause slightly, then look down and read another sentence.

Although the short speech was well-written, especially toward the end,
Bush looked upon it as an address in which all sentences were created
equal. He never stressed any particular point or added any emphasis. He
might as well have been reading letters off an eye chart.

On NBC, reporter David Gregory, who'd been among those asking Bush
questions in the East Room of the White House, said the president was
"filibustering at times" with his meandering responses. Indeed, most of the questions seemed to go unanswered. A reporter asked, twice, why Bush and Vice President Cheney insisted on appearing together when they testify before the 9/11 commission. Bush ignored the question both times, uttering familiar generalities instead.

In contrast to the emotionless delivery of his prepared remarks, during
the Q&A Bush appeared passionate at times, answering journalists' questions with an almost religious fervor. Bush said that freedom was given to Americans by "the Almighty" and encouraging freedom throughout the world is "what we have been called to do." Later he said, "It's a conviction that's deep in my soul."

Isn't the mixing of earthly political concerns with religious beliefs one
of the things that thwarts and frustrates the United States and its allies
in the Middle East?

In analysis on the Fox News Channel after Bush concluded, shrill Democrat Susan Estrich said Bush failed to answer the big looming question, "how you connect 9/11 to the war in Iraq." Her adversary, buffoonish Al D'Amato, simply raved about Bush's performance: "I think he did a terrific job tonight."

On MSNBC, Chris Matthews was all but leaping out of his chair over the
fact that Bush had said, in answer to a question, that Iraqis aren't happy
being occupied and that he, George W. Bush, wouldn't like being occupied, either. Matthews found this a "powerfully candid moment."

CBS, NBC and ABC rushed back to scheduled programming as quickly as they could once the news conference ended. Fox had already scuttled a telecast of its gigantically popular "American Idol" to make room for the president and will air the show tonight instead. Anyone tuning in and expecting to see an American idol saw an American president instead -- one who didn't exactly seem confused but who at times appeared to be teetering on the very brink of confusion.

And yet people responding to polls today will probably give Bush points
for just showing up. By having so few televised news conferences, he's made the ones he does have into big events. By expressing tremendous confidence in his own judgment and actions, even to the point of not being able to recall a single mistake, it's likely Bush made Americans feel a renewed confidence as well.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?node=admin/email&referrer=emailarticle
© 2004 The Washington Post Company
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 11:31 am
in your heart you know he's right, unfortunately there are still some that use their brain.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 12:09 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
To the rest of you elite who judge via style.....I agree Bush isn't a good extemporaneous speaker. But I would rather hear a man speak unscripted and uncoached from conviction and the heart than hear the smooth, oiled, slick oratory of a politician who speaks from the carefully crafted script designed to evoke emotion from those who decide on feelings instead of facts.



Well, I guess all you are left with is to pretend the problem is that George Bush just doesn't speak very well. Much better than dealing with the fact that he is a moron. The fact that he cannot speak coherently is annoying. The fact that he is a moron is embarrassing.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 12:17 pm
(quote)What the people of the United
States as well as the people of Iraq want to hear, the reporter said, is
what "the course" is. (quote)

It seems the Bush "plan" or "course" is to simply praise George Bush, no matter what happens as a result of his actions or the quality of his performance. What a good job he did for a man with performance anxiety! How brave of him to get up and grant a news conference when he hates them so. (Never mind that he was forced to address the American people and "answer" or respond to a few questions because his ratings were down.)

I can hear Carl Rove now, "well, George I can't protect you from this. Just do your best and people will be proud of your courage. And don't worry, we'll run out the folks who can talk in front of a camera as soon as it's over to praise you. It's a well established PR principle that if you repeat an idea enough times, and there are enough people who want to believe it, it will be perceived as truth. Just whatever you do, don't apolgize for anything, don't admit to any mistake, if you don't know the answer to a question, use cliched generalizations, and vague references to your conviction to "hang tough" and religious zeal, you can't go wrong with that."

Unfortunately, it does seem to work....for the American people, but I wonder for how much longer. And it obviously doesn't do a thing for the Iraqis.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 12:26 pm
foxfire wrote:
(quote)To the rest of you elite who judge via style (quote)

I am actually sympathetic with Bush for his performance anxiety. Many people suffer from it. But it would prevent most people from running for president, since the job calls for the ability to speak and think on one's feet.

But, obviously, it's not just about his speaking style, or his dyslexia, or his anxiety. Bush has no depth in his thinking. If he did, it would surely show through a mere performance anxiety problem, at least occasionally. Bush may be smart, as some claim, but he is unable to think in complex ways. He depends on polarities to explain the complicated. Knowing Bush, he's probably more worried about the ever increasing threat of the narcissistic injury of losing the election than he is about the Iraqi people.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 12:31 pm
Or the treasures we are spending there and the many American lives lost.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 12:36 pm
jello has been successfully marketed since 1897
Bush has a chance to apply the same marketing techniques (never use raw pineapple) and remember boys and girls "It sits as lightly on
a heavy meal as it does on your conscience." re-elect Bush or buy more jello, gawd bless america.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 01:03 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Thanks again JM. I am glad I'm not the only one who detected truth in his convictions.

I didn't question his convictions once, but I must admit to wishing he were more articulate when shooting from the hip. I thought his best moment was when he stated that he and his team would have moved Heaven and Earth to stop 9/11 if they had known it was going to happen. Anyone who didn't recognize the truth and the emotion behind those words is too cynical for words.

It's easy for the left to pretend that Bush is some idiot or madman. That's why they do it. If they actually looked at him as a decent man trying to do what he thinks is right for this nation and the world, they'd be too ashamed to sling mud as is their wont. And without the mud, what really have they got?
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