THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

Has anyone been keeping track of the accounting project happening in Iraq? It seems that in order to get any contracts in Iraq, a contractor had to have a lot of kickbacks that went directly to Saddam and allowed him to get around the oil-for-food embargo's.

It seems France and Russia were the leading contracters in this process.

This was on the radio last night, so I do not have a link handy. Anyone else hear about this?

I would also avoid Lewis' post 1990 works, which became polemics in support of his friend Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations" theory.

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Perhaps though, my allegations of a Muslims onslaught were a little more...overstated...than they should have been.

You are not the only one to make this mistake. It seems a popular misconception at the moment. I am just a bit surprised to see this view represented by someone who is usually a progressive.

IronLionZion wrote:

Where is the evidence of a Hussien/Al Qaida link?

The evidence exists in the same place as the evidence of almost 3,000 people killed by Terrorists in the US. The evidence exists in the same place as evidence of Hussein aiding and abetting Palestinian jihadists against the Israelies with weapons and monetary rewards to families of jihadists. The evidence exists in the same place as the evidence the US went into Afghanistan. The evidence exist in the same place as evidence the US went into Iraq. The evidence exists in the same place as evidence that there are jihadists murdering innocents in Iraq. The evidence is in the same daily news reports that have brought us all this other news.

Oh, yes the evidence of Hussien/Al Qaida links is overlooked or minimized by the self-appointed, self-annointed, experts. But the evidence is plainly there daily in the news for those capable of a modicum of independent logical thought that enables them to continually draw logically obvious implications. It's said by the self-annointed that all these jihadists in Iraq are new arrivals after Hussein's regime removal. Yeah, right While there are many new arrivals, a large cadre of pre-regime-Saddam aided and abetted jihadists existed and exist in Iraq to welcome and organize the new comers to help them avenge the removal of their former ally, Saddam Hussein. Why are these jiadists killing innocents as well as soldiers in Iraq? They are killing innocents in Iraq as in Palestine and elsewhere to discourage innocents from joining those who want to improve their lives by destroying jihadists everywhere.

Where is the evidence of a Hussien/Al Qaida link?

... The evidence is in the same daily news reports that have brought us all this other news.

I missed the part where you provide evidence for Saddam Hussiens terrorists connections. Perhaps you could innumerate them for those as benighted as me.

What? I walk into this room and everyone splits?

sumac,

Have you encountered any good leftist explanations for why the jihadists have expanded their presence in Iraq after Saddam's removal. And, having done that, why do these jiadists continually murder innocent Iraqi people?

Is that their way of helping their fellows? If so, who among their fellows are they helping and how does this help their fellows?

Is that their way of encouraging the American military to leave Iraq?

Is that their way of punishing innocent Iraqi people for failure to prevent the Americans from removing one of the jihadist's major sponsors?

Several reasons:
1) The US has played into OBL's hands by invading an oil rich ME country. We have now proven we are every bit as evil as he said we were.

2)AQ views all of Islam that isn't it as apostate, and are taking their war to the "infidel" Shia and Sunni Muslims who don't agree with them.

3) With no stable government in Iraq, chaos exists. Terrorist orghanizations thrive on chaos. Iraq is sort of like Disneyland for the "kill'em'all" set.

By definition,t heri "fellows," are other Sunni findamentalists, so dead Shia and non fundy Sunni are merely icing on the cake.

Yup, and it is probably going to work.

What are you smoking? AQ and the "jihadists" you are ranting about hated Hussein. We did them a favour. Please do the research before you post.

hobitbob wrote:

Several reasons:
1) The US has played into OBL's hands by invading an oil rich ME country. We have now proven we are every bit as evil as he said we were.

This is a fantasy reason, not a good reason. The first objective of the US invasion of Iraq was the removal of Saddam Hussein from power. The second objective was replacement of Sadam's regime with a rational and secure democracy. The third objective was to prevent Saddam from sponsoring and arming terrorists of both the secular and jihadist forms. The fourth objective was enabling the people of Iraq to profit from their own oil wealth. These are all, each and every one, noble objectives whether or not we Americans also benefit directly or indirectly.

2)AQ views all of Islam that isn't it as apostate, and are taking their war to the "infidel" Shia and Sunni Muslims who don't agree with them.

This too is a fantasy reason, not a good reason. You have repeatedly claimed that Saddam was a secularist and not a believer and did not agree with the AQ. So why didn't the AQ go after Saddam and his gang before the US did? The answer is obvious! Saddam was one of their sponsors!

3) With no stable government in Iraq, chaos exists. Terrorist orghanizations thrive on chaos. Iraq is sort of like Disneyland for the "kill'em'all" set.

This too is a fantasy reason, not a good reason. If AQ in general and bin Laden in particular make Iraq their murder playground and innocent Iraqi citizens their murder toys, they will be distracted from achieving their primary objective, killing every American and Israeli whereever they can find them.

By definition, their "fellows," are other Sunni findamentalists, so dead Shia and non fundy Sunni are merely icing on the cake.

Again, this too is a fantasy reason, not a good reason. If AQ in general and bin Laden in particular make Iraq their murder playground and innocent Iraqi citizens their murder toys, they will be distracted from achieving their primary objective, killing every American and Israeli whereever they can find them.

Yup, and it is probably going to work.

Finally, you provide a good reason. They do it to try and drive Americans out of Iraq. However, my bet is they won't succeed. They won't succeed because all of the the innocent Iraqies will soon understand that they too are probable victims. They will soon realize, if they don't already, that they must help the Americans destroy the Taliban and Al Qaeda and all the other Muslim nut cases (i.e., the jihadists) or they will be murdered by those same jihadists.

What are you smoking? AQ and the "jihadists" you are ranting about hated Hussein. We did them a favour. Please do the research before you post.



I do not smoke. I do not imbibe alcoholic drinks. I do not imbibe so-called recreational drugs. However, I am compelled to confess to imbibing root beer candy.

I did the research and found your mantra demonstrably false! Like the Saudies, Saddam also sponsored the AQ murderers in an attempt to achieve his own goals admittedly different from those of AQ. As long as the AQ were going after the Americans and/or the Israelies, they were serving Saddam's interests. Saddam probably thought he was in "hog heaven" when the AQ murdered 3,000 on 9/11.

Please, if you have evidence Hussein was involved with AQ, turn it over the the US government, since even the Bush admin is no longer following this line. I, and others, have repeatedly asked for your "proof" AQ and Hussein were involved, and you have yet to provide it. Either produce it, or admit you are lying.