THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

I specifically refered to intelligence regarding Saddam's illegal weapons. Remember that powerpoint presentation by Colin Powell at the UN? All those pictures of buildings with suspicious tracks outside. The UN was told thats where they WERE. Inside, right there. And the thousands of litres of anthrax, remember magic circle member Powell produced a little vial from his pocket and gosh, Saddam has a lot more where that came from. [Except Powel's vial contained sugar, perhaps thats what he meant?]

And the VX and sarin production plants. And the intercepted tapes "Abdul is that you? Yes sir. Well remember to hide all those illegal weapons that we are not supposed to have. This is an order from our great and glorious leader. OK Sir. I will hide them very well but not so well that we forget where they are in case we have to use them in a hurry." complete bollocks.

No wonder there were laughs of derision around the security council.

Not one site refered to by Powell and inspected by Blix had anything. Not one site inspected by the Iraq Survey Group uncovered anything illegal.

The intelligence said Iraq had illegal chemical and biological weapons. We invade Iraq to take control of them and destroy them. They had NOTHING. If thats not 100% wrong I don't know what is. Its either 100% wrong or 0% right, take your pick.

ican, Please point out the falsity of the statement.

It contrasts with what he believes, therefore it is wrong.

US Senator: Report on Iraq Intelligence 'Damning'
Fri Mar 12, 6:33 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!


By Tabassum Zakaria

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee report about prewar intelligence on Iraq (news - web sites) will be "tough and damning" and spread the blame around, a senior Republican senator said on Friday.

"It will be damning of some of the intelligence. I think it's going to be highly critical, it will be critical of a lot of different programs and people," said Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record) of Arizona, third-ranking in the Senate Republican leadership.


The blame spreads over Democratic and Republican administrations, intelligence agencies and Congress, he said. "Nobody is without blame."


The report is expected to be issued this spring, possibly in April.


Kyl's comments came in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations aimed at countering harsh criticism of the Republican administration by Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), a Massachusetts Democrat, a week earlier to the same group.


Kennedy's case that the Bush administration misrepresented intelligence to Congress and the public to go to war against Iraq was "long on innuendo and very short on facts," Kyl said.


Administration officials had based their comments about Iraq on intelligence assessments, he said. "They did not ... distort, mislead, or misrepresent what the intelligence community said."


U.S. intelligence reports before the war said Iraq had biological and chemical weapons and was developing a nuclear weapon, but since the U.S.-led invasion last year no such banned weapons have been found.


KEY ELECTION ISSUE


Democrats say the Republican White House exaggerated the threat from Iraq to gather support for the war. Republicans say it is too early to draw conclusions because the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has not ended and the administration's comments were based on assessments by the intelligence agencies.


It has become a hot-button political issue ahead of the presidential election in November.


Kennedy, who has taken a high-profile role in the presidential campaign of fellow Massachusetts Democrat Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), in last week's speech accused Republican President Bush (news - web sites) of exaggerating the threat posed by Iraq for political gain.


"That charge, if more than just over-the-top bluster, would be close to an allegation of treason -- suggesting that the president deliberately put our young men and women in harm's way for no purpose other than politics," Kyl said.


"Such a charge would not only sap the morale of the troops who are fighting even now, it would undercut our entire position on the war on terror generally and in Iraq specifically," Kyl said.


Kyl, a former member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said congressional oversight of spy agencies was "not very good" because lawmakers serve on several committees and have limited staff so cannot devote full attention to one issue.


"You would literally have to spend all of your time on this to really be able to know what kind of questions to ask, and because you don't have personal staff you get fed the questions," Kyl said.


"I mean it is not a good oversight set up, it is not calculated to really provide oversight, and I suspect that the intelligence agencies, including the CIA (news - web sites), like it that way a whole lot," he said.

OK!


"Unfortunately, this administration refuses to discuss anything concerning the truth about their preemptive strike on Iraq. This simple truth seems to be lost on most republicans. Why do they keep missing this? "And as Senator Carl Levin has so amply demonstrated, the attack on Iraq was based on wmd intelligence which wasnt just faulty, it was 100% and spectacularly WRONG."

... this administration refuses to discuss anything concerning the truth about their preemptive strike on Iraq.

The administration discussed several reasons why Saddam was a threat to his own populace, to neighboring peoples, to the neighbors of those neighboring peoples, and ultimately to us. The threat of WMD was but one of several threats discussed. The media-left chose to focus on the existence of wmd. Which while they have the right to focus on what they want, it wasn't and still isn't right for them to focus only on the wmd.

A multitude of times the Administration has discussed their failure to find WMD. After all, David Kay was appointed by the administration to help make an objective determination of whether the WMD exist in Iraq or not. Kay determined that WMD do not exist in Iraq. I sincerely hope Kay is correct, and, also, they don't exist in Syria or anywhere else.

Now if you changed this phrase: ... refuses to discuss anything concerning the truth about their preemptive strike on Iraq ... to: ... refuses to discuss anything concerning the truth about their preemptive strike on Iraq as much as the left wants it discussed. I would, of course agree.

... the attack on Iraq was based on wmd intelligence which wasnt just faulty, it was 100% and spectacularly WRONG

The attack on Irag was based on several reasons (a few given above) only one of which turned out to be faulty. Only one reason was based on faulty intelligence: i.e., faulty wmd intelligence.

Looks to me like another leftist griddle is calling the pot greasy Those leftist griddles sure have a difficult time coming to grips with their own greasiness.

I believe in Iraqi wmd
Weapons Almighty
Threatening Heaven and Earth
And in David Kay, boss of ISG
Which were inspected, destroyed and buried
They descended into hell
And on the third day they rose
From whence they were buried
And will be put on display
To confound the enemies of the Lord
And Republican administrations will rule for ever and ever.

I think you have to have some sort of religious faith in wmd now. Behold, it is the second coming. Expected any time never.

Discoveries in Madrid today: SIM card in phone trigger device in unexploded bomb lead police to five persons now under arrest; three Moroccans and two Indians.

Do you think military interventionism in the Middle East makes us any safer in Europe, or less safe?

Definitely less safe. But some people, like Bush, see neing attacked as proof that they are "right." Its certainly not going to change unless this crowd is shown the (servant's) exit in November!

THERE ARE NO WMD

Where have all the wmd gone?
Never real, each and every heap;
Never existed, so no longer weep;
Harmless Saddam lives so return his seat.

Where have all the wmd gone?
Never real, now not a peep;
Never existed, now lay ye down to sleep;
Wronged Saddam lives so return his seat.

Where have all the wmd gone?
Never real, you republicans not a squeek;
Never existed, now republicans into the creek;
Slandered Saddam lives so return his seat.

Where have all the wmd gone?
Terrorists and Saddam shall never greet;
Neither can stand the other's feet;
Poor Saddam lives so return his seat.

Where have all the wmd gone?
Terrorists they have become each and every one;
Their raisers he rewarded and praised in heat;
Kindly Saddam lives so return his seat.

And why can't we believe that administration personnel are not spectacularly stupid? Is that not Occam's Razor?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

Why can't you believe that each and every one of us is spectacularly stupid, too spectacularly stupid to determine even who among us is the least spectacularly stupid?

Surely that is really Occam's Razor!

No, but you are close. This is an administration of profound faith. When you have faith it is normal to reject data that does not support your belief (faith) and accept data that does support your belief.

That is Occam"s razor. Of course one could say that blind faith is stupid. :wink:

Occam's razor paraphrased is: When confronted with two or more explanations of complex events, relationships, or behaviors pick the simplest explanation. The simplest explanation is the one most likely to be correct.

We're all too spectacularly stupid to determine who among us is least spectacularly stupid. Is there a simpler explanation for the raging hatred and envy by the less accomplished of the more accomplised.

Some say the US is responsible for causing others to hate us. I say the haters of the US are responsible for their hatred. Those who think they cannot learn to create, hate and try to destroy those who do create!

Thomas Sowell wrote, "Some prefer an excuse to an accomplishment." That explanation is the simplest and I think probably the most valid and pertinent of all.

And now, for all you poor blighters out there trudging your way to work through the West Midlands snow and sleet...let us cast our mind to the tropics. We find ourselves now sipping julips under the lush Caribbean sun, the gentle warm as bath water waves washing across the white sands beneath our feet, our hair oh so slightly tussled by a mild waft of breeze which brings tidings of the marimba band playing joyously back at our cabana. Oh yes, a holiday in lovely Guantanamo. And what could be better.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guantanamo/story/0,13743,1169147,00.html

Terror's next stop (from Newsweek's 3/22 online edition):



more at
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4524563/

More fun and games in places with oil

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/story.jsp?story=501017

Bill I think what Sumac was refering to was something I said.

I dont believe the American administration are so stupid that they invaded Iraq because of non existent wmd.

But Occam's Razor suggests, as others have said, that when confronted with a number of explanations, the most straightforward one tends to be correct.

Which would in fact point in the direction of Bush and Co. being dumb.

Correct Sumac?

Correct.