THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

Thanks for the Memories

It's almost ironic that our government gave Iraq their chemical and biological weapons, then attacked them because they posed a threat to the American People - and after killing over 15,000 Iraqis, none were found. It's no wonder our government is confused.

PDiddie,

This gave me eerie feelings and curled hair up my neck.
It is sad that (Probably) only a few enthusiastic Internet readers and/or forum members even see it.

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Nice link.

Sad.

Good link PDiddie. I'd seen it before but its worth watching over and over again.

Meanwhile, back in Blightey, Our Glorious Leader Kim Il Tone, has suggested that we move on from war and stuff like that, and put our energies into building schools and hospitals. Those malicious scribblers determined to re write history to show Our Dear Leader in a bad light are to be denounced for what they are...enemies of the five year Project.

Ok Tony, I'll move on. Just one small question. I seem to recall we had a war last year in the middle east, against Iraq if memory serves correctly. How many schools and hospitals did that cost?


Kara, signature quote..thanks. Do you think Paine would have been delighted or depressed by America 2004?

He would stick with "These are the times that try men's souls." He would be dismayed at our isolationism. He would ponder religious extremism, and perhaps write a new Age of Reason, making it much shorter, taking into account the attention span of the average person.

Thanks

From bigeye.com Eric Margolis

Too few Americans seem troubled their president either lied or blundered them into a horrible mess in Iraq, so far costing 523 Americans dead, nearly 10,000 casualties, and US $200 billion for 2003-04, not to mention the deaths of thousands of Iraqis, and the current nightmarish mess in Iraq.

This is an historic malfeasance far exceeding in gravity Nixon's Watergate scandal or Bill Clinton's prevarications.

The war fever, and hatred of Muslims and foreigners fostered by the Bush Administration continues to grip America. I am not comparing the US in 2004 to Nazi Germany, but one begins to understand how Germans, another educated, highly civilized people, were driven in the 1930's by a campaign of fear and lies into supporting a policy of aggression, religious hatred, and racism.

This blatant comparison is despicable and I urge you to retract it. I happen to believe many Iraqi's are grateful for our assistance. I challenge you to listen to the audio clip listed in my signature line... and then disagree. I feel no religious hatred of racism toward Muslims or anyone else. Any comparison of this war effort, however misguided you may think it is and the genocidal horror show that was the holocaust is beyond ridiculous... And you should be ashamed of yourself for downplaying the atrocities perpetrated by the Nazi's with this comparison. Get a grip.

I completely agree with Steve.

well thats sure rattled your cage Bill.

Sorry I can't retract a thing, but I do apologise for omitting the quotation marks from Eric Margolis's piece.

I didn't write it ok?

uh...doesn't the man say "...not comparing..."?

Yes he does blatham... right before he suggests my agreement with this effort characterizes me as someone who could be deceived into being OK with one the most horrible atrocities mankind has every known. I would like to think that even the most boisterous ABBs would recognize this as over the top.

bit too much to expect reading before comment Blath

Perhaps I shouldn't jump in here, but I do not believe that the Bush administration is fostering hatred toward Muslims in any way. I would have preferred him to make the main goal of his administration the attempt to work long term against terrorist ideologies, instead of saber-rattling and war-mongering. This is a basic difference in thinking among Sir George's subjects.

The long term battle against extremists and terrorists is years or decades long, not months, and it will take the utmost dedication and commitment, unlike a swift-strike war. We must, of course, guard our country from terror strikes as best we can, but our situation is strikingly similar to what Rumsfeld said about the attacks in Iraq: You can't stop everyone and you can't see everything before it happens. He is justifying it in Iraq when he would not justify it in this country. You cannot "impose" democracy. You must change peoples's hearts and minds.

These terror ideologies can be changed with influence, alliances, and money. This war is much more important than taking out Saddam. Here we go on Locke and Hobbes again.

When speaking about Germany and the Germans in the early 30's of last century, quite a few historians - especially from the English speaking world - start with something like "Too few Germans seem troubled their leaders either lied or blundered them into a horrible mess ...".

All my life I've wondered, how and why my German citizens 'in good faith', with 'childish belief', 'prussian attitude' ("the government will know what is right") didn't object these developments.

Might well be, similar could happen elsewhere.

Scares the hell out of you, and us, Walter. There is much to your thoughts.

But I am wondering something else. At what point do the Iraqis turn on the terrorists, who are, after all, targeting them?

Kara, these are words of wisdom. Why can't we have people with your "ear for truth" and analytical mind in Washington DC?? (You wouldn't care to run at the Dem convention, would you?? Aw---just an aside - but a damn good thought!!!)

Also, neither do I think the Administration has "HATE" for muslims- in particular- but I do often wonder if they respect "life" and limb, in general!

Mr. Bush keeps repeating (just about every time I hear him 'speak' on tv)- "We have removed Saddam Hussien from power. This is important!"
Well, I would ask him WHY did he think it was so important... in the way it was done (respective to time frame and so-called 'reasons' given to the U.S. citizens). Great numbers of both coalition forces AND Iraqi citizens have lost their life- and the numbers MAIMED are horrifying! If ANYONE could prove we were in imminent danger from Iraq, I think it would have been proven by now. Just saying, "Oh well, we got a bad guy out of power", is just NOT ENOUGH.

It has been said on this forum and in the news media about a million times, Bush and company 'had an agenda'.... and I believe it.

PDiddie, Thanks for the link, "Thanks for the memories". It says a Lot.