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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 10:05 pm
Lifted from a blog, not my own research ...

Quote:
Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), December 28, 1999.


Iraq tempts bin Laden to attack West
Exclusive. By: Ian Bruce, Geopolitics Editor.

THE world's most wanted man, Osama bin Laden, has been offered sanctuary in Iraq if his worldwide terrorist network succeeds in carrying out a campaign of high-profile attacks on the WestÝ ...


Now we are also facing the prospect of an unholy alliance between bin Laden and Saddam. The implications are terrifying.


"We might be looking at the most wanted man on the FBI's target list gaining access to chemical, biological or even nuclear weapons courtesy of Iraq's clandestine research programmes."


The U.S. intelligence community has been squeezing bin Laden's finances steadily for several years. His personal fortune of anything up to £500m has been whittled down to single figures ...


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U.S. Newswire, December 23, 1999.


Terrorism Expert Reveals Why Osama bin Laden has Declared War On America; Available for Comment in Light of Predicted Attacks.


... (author Yossef) Bodansky also reveals the relationship between bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and how the U.S. bombing of Iraq is "strengthening the hands of militant Islamists eager to translate their rage into violence and terrorism."Ý ....


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The Observer. December 19, 1999.


Sanctions reviewed in West as Saddam wields sword of Islam


The Iraqi dictator has rejected a UN deal to lift sanctions. The Western blockade, far from toppling the regime, has bolstered it. He's ditched the sunglasses and taken up the Koran to harness the fervour ofÝ fundamentalists.


By: Jason Burke, in Baghdad


... This time last year the U.S. claimed that another delegation had met Osama bin Laden, the alleged terrorist mastermind and tried to woo him to Iraq.


Senior officials claim that the Islamisation programme is an attempt to defuse the threat of Islamic militancy rather than encourage it ...


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United Press International. November 3, 1999, Wednesday, BC cycle.


WASHINGTON -- The U.S. government has tried to prevent accused terror suspect Osama bin Laden from fleeing Afghanistan to either Iraq or Chechnya, Michael Sheehan, head of counter-terrorism at the State Department, told a Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee ...


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Akron Beacon Journal (Ohio). October 31, 1999. Sunday 1 STAR EDITION.


BIN LADEN SPOTTED AFTER OFFER TO LEAVE
By: From Beacon Journal wire services


DATELINE: JALALABAD, AFGHANISTAN:


... The Taliban has since made it known through official channels that the likely destination is Iraq.


A Clinton administration official said bin Laden's request "falls far short" of the UN resolution that the Taliban deliver him for trial....


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The Kansas City Star. March 2, 1999, Tuesday.


International terrorism, a conflict without boundaries


By Rich Hood


... He (bin Laden)Ýhas a private fortune ranging from $250 million to $500 million and is said to be cultivating a new alliance with Iraq's Saddam Hussein, who has biological and chemical weapons bin Laden would not hesitate to use. An alliance between bin Laden and Saddam Hussein could be deadly. Both men are united in their hatred for the United States and any country friendly to the United States....


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Los Angeles Times. February 23, 1999, Tuesday, Home Edition.
SECTION: Metro; Part B; Page 6; Letters Desk.
HEADLINE: OSAMA BIN LADEN


Where is Osama bin Laden (Feb. 14)? That should be the U.S.'s main priority. If as rumored he and Saddam Hussein are joining forces, it could pose a threat making Hitler and Mussolini seem like a sideshow....


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National Public Radio (NPR)
MORNING EDITION (10:00 AM on ET)
February 18, 1999.


THOUGH AFGHANISTAN HAS PROVIDED OSAMA BIN LADEN WITH SANCTUARY, IT IS UNCLEAR WHERE HE IS NOW.
ANCHORS: BOB EDWARDS
REPORTERS: MIKE SHUSTER


... There have also been reports in recent months that bin Laden might have been considering moving his operations to Iraq. Intelligence agencies in several nations are looking into that. According to Vincent Cannistraro, a former chief of CIA counterterrorism operations, a senior Iraqi intelligence official, Farouk Hijazi(ph), sought out bin Laden in December and invited him to come to Iraq.


Mr. VINCENT CANNISTRARO (Former Chief of CIA Counterterrorism Operations): Farouk Hijazi, who was the Iraqi ambassador in Turkey ... known through sources in Afghanistan, members of Osama's entourage let it be known that the meeting had taken place.


SHUSTER: Iraq's contacts with bin Laden go back some years, to at least 1994, when, according to one U.S. government source, Hijazi met him when bin Laden lived in Sudan. According to Cannistraro, Iraq invited bin Laden to live in Baghdad to be nearer to potential targets of terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. There is a wide gap between bin Laden's fundamentalism and Saddam Hussein's secular dictatorship. But some experts believe bin Laden might be tempted to live in Iraq because of his reported desire to obtain chemical or biological weapons. CIA director George Tenet referred to that in recent testimony....


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Agence France Presse. February 17, 1999.


Saddam plans to use bin Laden against Kuwait, Saudi: opposition


Iraq's President Saddam Hussein plans to use alleged terrorist Osama bin Laden's network to carry out his threats against Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, an Iraqi opposition figure charged on Wednesday.
"If the ... Jaber, a member of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), said Iraq had "offered to shelter bin Laden under the precondition that he carry out strikes on targets in neighbouring countries."


... Islamic fundamentalist bin Laden, who has gone missing from his base in Afghanistan, would never seek refuge in secular Iraq on ideological grounds. "I think bin Laden would keep quiet or fight to the death rather than seek asylum in Iraq," the London-based dissident, who asked not to be named, told AFP last week.....


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Deutsche Presse-Agentur. February 17, 1999, Wednesday, BC Cycle


Opposition group says bin Laden in Iraq


DATELINE: Kuwait City


An Iraqi opposition group claimed in a published report Wednesday that Islamic militant Osama bin Laden is in Iraq from where he plans to launch a campaign of terrorism against Baghdad's Gulf neighbours.


The claim was made by Bayan Jabor, spokesman for the Teheran-based Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI).


Bin Laden "recently settled in Iraq at the invitation of Saddam Hussein in exchange for directing strikes against targets in neighbouring countries," Jabor told the Kuwaiti newspaper al-Rai al- Aam ... Taleban leaders in Afghanistan, where he had been living, said they lost track of him. Media reports have speculated he sought refuge in Chechnya, Somalia, Iraq, or with a non-Taliban group in Afghanistan.


Jabor, who was interviewed in Damascus, Syria, said Iraq began extending invitations to bin Laden six months ago, shortly after the United States bombed his suspected terrorist training camps in Afghanistan after linking him with the August 7 bombings of U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and in Dar-es-Salam, Tanzania.


The United States indicted Bin Laden for the embassy bombings and has offered a five million dollar reward for information leading to his capture. Bin Laden's disappearance has coincided with stepped up threats by Iraq against neighbours Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Turkey for allowing the United States and Britain to use their air bases to carry out air patrols over two "no-fly" zones over northern and southern Iraq ....


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Associated Press Worldstream. February 14, 1999.


Taliban leader says whereabouts of bin Laden unknown


... Analysts say bin Laden's options for asylum are limited.


Iraq was considered a possible destination because bin Laden had received an invitation from Iraqi President Saddam Hussein last month. And Somalia was a third possible destination because of its anarchy and violent anti-U.S. historyÝ....


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San Jose Mercury News (California).Ý February 14, 1999 Sunday MORNING FINAL EDITION


U.S. WORRIED ABOUT IRAQI, BIN LADEN TIES TERRORIST COULD GAIN EVEN
DEADLIER WEAPONS


U.S. intelligence officials are worried that a burgeoning alliance between terrorist leader Osama bin Laden and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein could make the fugitive Saudi's loose-knit organization much more dangerous ...


In addition, the officials said, Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal is now in Iraq, as is aÝrenowned Palestinian bomb designer, and both could make their expertise available to bin Laden.


"It's clear the Iraqis would like to have bin Laden in Iraq," said Vincent Cannistraro, a former head of counterterrorism operations at the Central Intelligence AgencyÝ ...


Saddam has even offered asylum to bin Laden, who has expressed support for Iraq.


... (in) late December, when bin Laden met a senior Iraqi intelligence official near Qandahar, Afghanistan, there has been increasing evidence that bin Laden and Iraq may have begun cooperating in planning attacks against American and British targets around the world.


Bin Laden, who strikes in the name of Islam, and Saddam, one of the most secular rulers in the Arab world, have little in common except their hatred of the United States ...


More worrisome, the American officials said, are indications that there may be contacts between bin Laden's organization and Iraq's Special Security Organization (SSO), run by Saddam's son Qusay. Both the SSO and the Mukhabarat were involved in a failed 1993 plot to assassinate former President George Bush ...


"The idea that the same people who are hiding Saddam's biological weapons may be meeting with Osama bin Laden is not a happy one," said one American official....


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Associated Press Worldstream. February 13, 1999; Saturday 14:32 Eastern Time


Bin Laden said to have left Afghanistan, whereabouts unknown


... It is very unlikely bin Laden could remain in Afghanistan without Taliban officials knowing his whereabouts.


Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has offered asylum to bin Laden, who has expressed support for Iraq.


U.S. officials believe bin Laden masterminded the Aug. 7 bombings of its embassies in Kenya and Tanzania ...


Bin Laden urged devout Muslims to attack U.S. and British interests in retaliation for their joint assault on Iraq.


U.S. officials demanded that the Taliban hand over bin Laden, who has been indicted in a U.S. court on murder charges in connection with the bombings. But the Taliban had refused.


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The Bulletin's Frontrunner. January 4, 1999, Monday.


Defiant Saddam Looks To Provoke U.S.


... Time also reported, "For now, the White House will respond to each provocation by counterattacking the offending battery."


Saddam Reaching Out To bin Laden.


Newsweek (1/11, Contreras) reported, "U.S. sources say (Saddam) is reaching out to Islamic terrorists, including some who may be linked to Osama bin Laden." ...


(Osama bin Laden was) calling for all-out war on Americans, using as his main pretext Washington's role in bombing and boycotting Iraq." In a Newsweek interview, bin Laden said that "'any American who pays taxes to hisÝ government," is a legitimate target." Newsweek reported, "The idea of an alliance between Iraq and bin Laden is alarming to the West," although "Saddam may think he's too good for such an association." However, "Now that the United States has made his removal from office a national objective....


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The White House Bulletin. Copyright 1999. Bulletin Broadfaxing Network, Inc.


In a Newsweek interview, bin Laden said that "'any American who pays taxes to his government," is a legitimate target." Newsweek reported, "The idea of an alliance between Iraq and bin Laden is alarming to the West," although "Saddam may think he's too good for such an association." However, "Now that the United States has made his removal from office a national objective, he....


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United Press International. January 3, 1999, Sunday, BC cycle.


UPI Focus: Bin Laden 'instigated' embassy bombings


... (The Taliban) government in Afghanistan says the Saudi does not have the money to finance projects in the country. Newsweek also reported that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has been making new overtures to bin Laden in an attempt to rebuild his intelligence network and to create his own terror network....


Nope, no connection or relationship evident there at all, is there? Note too that all references not only are pre-9/11, but pre-Current Administration. Anyone who wants more to ignore can find literally thousands upon thousands upon more thousands of references with nothing more difficult than a googlesearch.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 10:59 pm
Al Qaeda militants say they were helped by Saudi forces

Um, well some will make some funny tasting hay with that but it's a for-what-it's-worth submission.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 11:06 pm
"Saddam met with bin Ladin on August 22, 1998 to discuss the transfer of WMDs for use against the US." I just made that up. Can anybody prove it's wrong?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 11:14 pm
I can come close. That was two days after missles targeting Osama hit Afghanistan. It is unlikely that he could have made the trip as after being expelled from Sudan in 1994 it is not believed that he ever left the region of Afghanistan and vicinity.

Saddam also had a lot on his plate that day, as the US was considering financing the INC to fight him.

I think there is ample evidence that points to the meeting as being unlikely to have taken place on that day but, of course, depending on where you set the doorknob that might not be enough to constitute the level of proof you envision.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 11:47 pm
Then, of course, there IS This, and there Appears To Be This

c.i. , anyone can just about say anything they care to say, with or without foundation, corroboration, or credentials-in-field. The articles quoted and cited in that blog piece I reproduced pretty much qualify as having all three qualities. Now, while that certainly doesn't "Make Them Right" per se, it sure as hell lends them more weight than anything quipped on a whim by a non-journalist, non-government-figure private citizen, such as myself, you, or just about anyone else here. I sure don't believe everything I read, but I do consider the sources and the preponderance of credible, multiply independently cross-referrenced, recurring evidence. As always, I could be wrong, but I think it more than merely highly likely there is a longstanding, if clandestine, relationship between Saddam's Ba'athist Regime and International Terrorism, including among other terrorist entities Al Queda. Frankly, I feel it disingenuous to assume other might be so.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2004 11:56 pm
c.i.: I don't suppose you caught meet the press tonight? You still can right now by clicking here.

Links between al-Qaida, Iraq? June 20: Members of the Sept. 11 commission, Richard Ben-Veniste and John Lehman, address claims by the Bush administration of ties between al-Qaida and Iraq. wrote:
MR. LEHMAN: Well, I really totally disagree with what I thought was outrageously irresponsible journalism, to portray what the staff statement--and again, this is a staff statement; the commissioners have not addressed this issue yet--to portray it as contradicting what the administration said. There's really very little difference between what our staff found, what the administration is saying today and what the Clinton administration said. The Clinton administration portrayed the relationship between al- Qaeda and Saddam's intelligence services as one of cooperating in weapons development. There's abundant evidence of that. In fact, as you'll soon hear from Joe Klein, President Clinton justified his strike on the Sudan "pharmaceutical" site because it was thought to be manufacturing VX gas with the help of the Iraqi intelligence service.

Since then, that's been validated. There has been traces of Empta that comes straight from Iraq, and this confounds the Republicans, who accused Clinton of doing it for political purposes. But it confirms the cooperative relationship, which were the words of the Clinton administration, between al-Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence.


Is that clear enough? Soon it may get even clearer.

Quote:
The Bush administration has never said that they participated in the 9/11 attack. They've said, and our staff has confirmed, there have been numerous contacts between Iraqi intelligence and al-Qaeda over a period of 10 years, at least. And now there's new intelligence, and this has come since our staff report has been written because, as you know, new intelligence is coming in steadily from the interrogations in Guantanamo and in Iraq and from captured documents. And some of these documents indicate that there is at least one officer of Saddam's Fedayeen, a lieutenant colonel, who was a very prominent member of al-Qaeda. That still has to be confirmed. But the vice president was right when he said that he may have things that we don't yet have. And we are now in the process of getting this latest intelligence.


Why do you want so badly to not see a connection?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 12:04 am
Another copy-and-paste job ... forgive me, but in context of the current thrust of this discussion, this one is just too rich to pass.

Quote:
The Liberal - Al Qaeda Link

Written by Bob Parks
Monday, June 21, 2004




Makes a lot of sense to me.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 04:31 am
It's a bit rich when the right accuses others of harbouring hatred. As if they had never heard of the Starr investigations, for example.

Most right-thinking Americans, it seems to me, recognise that this administration has dragged America to the lowest moral point in its history.

For this they blame the figurehead, equally with the puppetmasters. I hope justice will yet prevail.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 05:05 am
Israelis stirring it further in middle east.

Cheney told by Barak that America cant win the occupation in Iraq, only limit the extent of their humiliation.

Neo cons Iraq policy...keep fingers crossed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1243588,00.html

Clearly the program of regime change is not over yet. Who's next? Iran or Syria? My money is on Iran.

McT

Did you hear any of the Janice Rapinski interview with John Humphrys? - chilling
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 05:48 am
Every once in a while, someone opens their mouth and the wrong words pour forth. What makes them wrong are their truthfulness...

Quote:
"If Americans are in danger, if there's a really bad person we've got to go after, it's the same old rules," Wolfowitz told reporters traveling with him, making clear that U.S. forces had no intention of withdrawing from the fight. "But we would like people to see that something has changed. In the first few weeks, a lot of the challenge is how to create some optics when the underlying substance hasn't changed that much."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56479-2004Jun20.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 06:30 am
and this ought to be noted...

Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/21/politics/21GITM.html
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 07:45 am
You too McTag? It's a bit rich when the left's shaky ground collapses from underneath them so they resort to vague references instead of addressing the new information. The crystal clear connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda must have really stirred your marbles.

McTag wrote:
It's a bit rich when the right accuses others of harbouring hatred. As if they had never heard of the Starr investigations, for example.
The focus change of said investigation is indeed something to be ashamed of. I still can't fathom how it became okay for a President to ignore supreme court rulings and lie through his teeth to a grand jury but hey, what do I know. Well, I know the idiot Starr was supposed to be investigating a billion dollar rip off that the Clintons were up to there necks in, and somehow the focus was changed to Slick-Willy's sex life. Confused I would not be surprised at all if it turned out the Clinton's leaked Monica and Starr received a handsome reward for his part in the focus deflection (just my pet theory). Considering Billions were stolen, and it looks clear that the Clinton's were involved, I'd say the final result was the dodging of a bullet by a brilliant scam artist.

McTag wrote:
Most right-thinking Americans, it seems to me, recognise that this administration has dragged America to the lowest moral point in its history.
Is that what "right thinking Americans" think? It seems to me that the terrorists struck a mighty blow and we're recovering quite well, thank you.

McTag wrote:
For this they blame the figurehead, equally with the puppetmasters. I hope justice will yet prevail.
At least we can agree on this. And since we actually have a commander in chief willing to face the enemy instead of ignore it, we just might. Idea
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 07:55 am
Occom Bill wrote:
... I would not be surprised at all if it turned out the Clinton's leaked Monica and Starr received a handsome reward for his part in the focus deflection (just my pet theory) ...

That's a breed of pet fancied by many, and one with a long and well-papered pedigree.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 09:25 am
Bill

Presumably you still believe the war was to eliminate the threat to the US from Saddam's wmd? OK well surely it was to liberate the Iraqi people and bring democracy to that country? {Question why does George Bush care so much about the Iraqis that he is willing to spend billions of dollars on them, sorry drop billions of dollars worth of ordnance on them, when there is extensive poverty and deprivation in America?...}

The fact is this war was fought not for the good of Iraqis but for the control of oil and profit of large corporations. The murder torture rape and general mayhem visited on the Iraqi people is shameful when you consider the REAL reasons for the war, and McTag is quite right to point out the low ebb to which USUK morality has sunk.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 09:41 am
The neocons still think and believe it's for the Iraqi people. They still think it's worth the "sacrifice."
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 10:12 am
Steve, like McTag, you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of how right or wrong you may be. It's nice to live in a country where criticizing your leaders won't lead to "murder torture rape and general mayhem visited on" the people you care about.

However, like McTag, you are not entitled to define what "right-thinking Americans" think, without being challenged.

"low ebb to which USUK morality has sunk", IMHO, is not an accurate assessment of ending the reign of a brutal mass-murdering bastard and attempting to bring democracy to people, who a few short years ago couldn't even dream about it. Some "right-thinking Americans" may even be able to some nobility in the cause... whether you can or not.

c.i.: your continued silence about the clear link is deafening. :wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 10:34 am
Bill

Firstly I didnt use the expression "right thinking American"...so I'm not sure what it refers to.

Second, for me it stretches credibility too far to think of George Bush laying awake at night fretting about the fate of the poor Iraqis. How he got up next day, determined to liberate them from the monstrous Saddam regime, (which of course wasn't a monstrous regime when they were fighting the Iranians, Saddam was in fact pretty useful then), and dreaming of bringing them free health care, trades unions, schooling for kids etc.

No sorry, this war was fought for the control of oil and the profit of large corporations. I think that is a pretty ugly fact to have to swallow. So its not surprising that so many attempts are made to give the war a noble justification and disguise its true causes.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 10:41 am
Bill, It's not silence you're hearing; everything beens said that needs to be said. Follow Steve's posts, and you'll understand where I stand.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 10:43 am
Occom, consider that this

Quote:
... Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes. (Applause.)

Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option ...

G.W. Bush; 2003 State of the Union Address

is what actually was said, as compared to what The Left claims was said.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jun, 2004 10:46 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
... you'll understand where I stand.

I think there's little question where you stand, what is beyond comprehension is how or why you got yourself there.
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