THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

The Saudis have been having "near-daily gun battles" with them according to an article I read yesterday.

What they have been doing is comparing Al- Quaeda to "Zionists" saying that they both share the same goal of Saudi regime change.

They've been fighting them, but they react very poorly to losing face with this kind of attack (see the stupid remarks about "Zionists" that one of em made).

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If the Saudis did ask for our assistance would this administration bite the bullet again and go in?

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Good question.

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It would certainly be interesting. Maybe the UN would help...

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McGentrix wrote:

It would certainly be interesting. Maybe the UN would help...

Thanks! Now I gotta clean Coca Cola off my screen!

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Brand X wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
It would certainly be interesting. Maybe the UN would help...

Thanks! Now I gotta clean Coca Cola off my screen!

Not such a good joke, but only a testimony that you don't know much about the United Nations.

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Sadly true.......

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C'mon, Walt. Lighten up.

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Again in re: to ...

McGentrix wrote:

Why are you guys having such a hard time grasping the idea that even though Saddam had numerous contacts with al Qaeda, he had no part in the events of 9/11?

They can be mutually exclusive.

These two aren't mutually exclusive either:

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"This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al-Qaida," [Bush] said. "We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida [..]"

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So ... they might well have talked, but they didnt actually collaborate on anything.

Which brings us back to one of the questions we asked way in the beginning, when the war was first pushed for: how relevant a target is Iraq when it comes to retaliating for 9/11? It had no role in the 9/11 attacks -- and how do Iraq's contacts with Al Qaeda people relate and compare to other countries' ties with the group and specifically the perpetrators of 9/11 (Pakistan, Saudi-Arabia, Sudan)? And how does that comparison work out in terms of constituting a convincing case that 9/11 made it necessary to attack Iraq, of all places?

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I think the landscape is about to change in Saudi Arabia.

They've been playing the ends against one another--token support to the US, financial and other support to Islamic extremists.

I agree with Steve about the implosion. News accounts report pretty rough rhetoric by some of our political officials toward Saud. We'll be squeezing--and I think the Islamic extremists are on the verge of launching a sustained uprising.

We may soon end up in SA in the same manner we wound up in Kuwait. It may be the right place at the right time.

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Sofia,

That makes sense as long as your recognize that the "they" you describe as playing both ends against each other are distinct and separate entities.

The Saudi government is a target of the terrorists. Many of the Saudi people supposrt the terrorists.

The Saudi government has pretty much always been steadfastly against the terrorists. The Saudi street has long had substantial portions of their population sympathyze with the terrorists.

IMO you've done a wee bit too much reductionism.

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If the Sauds "invite" the US back into their country (the Bush War existed partly to get the US out in the first place) the revolt will become much bigger, broader and may involve the entire Muslim world at that point.....

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The Saudi's getting the killer so quickly AFTER Paul's death just doesn't seem very plausible.

Anyone else think this smells?

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I thought that was really odd, as well.
Why so incredibly soon after...?

Unless someone witnessed the body dumping, and followed...

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There must have been one hell of a clue.

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He was killed while disposing of the body.

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By the way, Sofia, Muslims pleaded for the terrorists not to kill him. I mention this here because if I remember correctly you have asked about why they do not speak up (they do, you just don't read about it AND remember it).

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/18/saudi.kidnap/index.html wrote:

Muslim friends of Johnson -- including some clerics -- had also pleaded for his release. But the militants were not swayed.

The Web statement addressed those pleas.

"A lot of voices were very loud, expressing their anger for taking a Christian military person as a hostage and killing him while they kept their mouth shut from saying anything supporting those poor Muslims who are in prisons and being tortured by the hands of the cross-believers," the Web site statement said, an apparent reference to the abuse of Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison.

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Very good point to make Craven. One might also point out that only a tiny percentage of Saudi charity contributions have been diverted to terrorism. Mostly, it's been used to provide food and shelter to people in need.

Also;(CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country warned the United States several times that Saddam Hussein's regime was planning terror attacks on the United States and its overseas interests. Interesting no one brought this up.

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Craven

I saw that, and it made me feel really good. It was a wide ranging group of Muslims joining the chorus, and it was heartening to me, and I hope others.

I've given credit to the groups who've made anti-terrorist statements previously. I must say you are quite the turd for speaking to me in a manner that seems to insinuate that I have been scouring the earth for reasons to poke at Muslims. This is not the case.

I've criticised silence on the matter. My country spoke out loud and long about the abuse at AbuGraib, as have I.

<Not anti-Muslim>
<squinty eyed emoticon, a la Clint Eastwood>

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As a matter of fact, there was a full page ad in the San Jose Mercury News recently released by a Muslim organization. They support America and our ideals of religious freedom, and are against the brutal killings of innocents by the extremists. They said the killing of innocent is contrary to Muslim teachings and the Koran.

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