THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

Well that didn't take long. Once somebody has enough ammunition that he can't be refuted with facts, he is advised he is unwelcome. I was here because the debate had become interesting. Oh well. I suppose there should be some threads where everybody sings the same song. Bye.

God, that's good Foxy - I couldn't agree more. "Same song" ooooh, priceless.......

Foxfyre, there was good debate before ICan came to dominate the thread. There were songs of every type and in every key. There was not, however, until his arrival, a single poster who talked constantly and voluminously, like a guest at a party who takes over the conversation and ultimately drives into silence most of the other speakers by his rush of words. I have tuned in from time to time, read page after page of ICan and tuned out. He has many interesting and good things to say, but he is crowding out diversity of comment by his domination of the thread.

It isn't ican's fault that people are burned out on this thread.

The situation in Iraq is sort of in between right now.

This thread will light up again when there is a steady stream of news to discuss.

And so; therefore, obfuscation once again raises its ugly head and the point is lost for eternity.......

Don't talk about Kara like that...

Brand X, perhaps we are indeed burned out, but there are many things that we can talk about and learn from each other.

The Kurds, for example. A few interesting pieces in today's NYTimes about that situation.

Ge, I just read your posted letter from Sistani. Whew, does he ever know how to set the cat amongst the pigeons.

There are some moderate and articulate posters who have left this thread, e.g., Steve, nimh, timber. Too bad.

Just a trivia note ... for those unaware, this thread is the sixth incarnation of a thread which itself was an offshoot of yet another thread, dating back to the very earliest days of A2K. As the pages of replies mounts into the hundreds, the previous thread is closed and a successor is opened, in order to lighten the server load. This remarkable thread chain consists of several tens of thousands of posts. The initial progenitor of the current discussion begins HERE , which sprang from THIS TOPIC. I believe this progression to be one of the longest same-subject discussions on the internet ... quite an achievement, if you ask me.

Oh, and Kara ... I ain't gone ... I just don't work this topic much anymore.

That was your shortest post ever Icann.

Bravo!

Just joking. I enjoy your long posts, for one.

Cycloptichorn

B., things are just starting to heat up .....





Al-Qaida Statement Warning Muslims Against Associating With The Crusaders And Idols
Jun 09, 2004
Translation By JUS

We remind our viewers that the statements, opinions and points of view expressed in this statement are those of the author and shall not be deemed to mean that they are those of Jihad Unspun, the publisher, editor, writers, contributors or staff.

All praises be to Allah and peace be upon His messenger, Prophet Muhammad, his families, companions and whoever follows:

Once again, we repeat our call and send this clear message to our Muslim brothers, warning against fellowship with the Crusaders, the Americans, Westerners and all idols in the Arab Gulf. Muslims should not associate with them anywhere, be it in their homes, complexes or travel with them by any means of transportation.

Prophet Muhammad said "I am free from who lives among idols".

No Muslim should risk his life as he may inadvertently be killed if he associates with the Crusaders, whom we have no choice but to kill.

Everything related to them such as complexes, bases, means of transportation, especially Western and American Airlines, will be our main and direct targets in our forthcoming operations on our path of Jihad that we, with Allah's Power, will not turn away from.

We confirm and repeat this statement in support of the Ummah (Islam nation), caring for our Muslim brothers' blood for who we undertake these operations, to defend them, their religion, honor and lands and to be free from those who disobey Allah's Orders and continue to live with the Crusaders thereby gaining an evil omen.

We further repeat our warning to the security officials and those who guard the American complexes and who stand with America and its hired help, who takes up arms against the Mujahideen for defending for them and their interests such as the Saudi government and others who choose to support the idol's regime over the Islamic one. We call them to repent, separate and to hate idols by fighting them with money, tongues and arms.

Our prayer to Allah is that we may assist His religion and spread His word and we ask to be given His enemies. Allah alone is sufficient and the end belongs to the pious believers. There is no aggression except upon oppressors. Praise be to Allah is our last worship.

Al-Qaida Organization of the Arab Gulf
19 Rabbi Al-Akhir 1425

SOURCE

Zionists looking to establish an exclusive state is not in itself an action. It is merely an objective--a mental state of mind. It is not an objective brought to fruition.

Zionists did not establish an exclusive state in Palestine. Palestinian Arabs have lived as voting citizens for almost 54 years in the Palestinian Jewish state called Israel. Too many of these Palestinian Arabs and too many Jews have been victims of the maniacal Palestinian Arabs.



Some Zionists, who are but a minority segment of the Palestinian Jews, "did visit violence, bigotry and discrimination upon the Arabs in Palestine" prior to 1918. Many Zionist and non-zonist Jews were murdered and maimed by the Palestinian Arabs from 1920 on. Did the pre-1918 violence, bigotry and discrimination of those Zionists include murder and maiming? No it did not! Did the pre-1918 violence, bigotry and discrimination of those Zionists justify the post 1918 murder and maiming by maniacal Palestinian Arabs of innocent Palestinian Jews? No it did not! Assault simply does not equal murder! They aren't the same thing. Furthermore, assault by a minority of a group does not equate to assault by the majority of the group. That kind of thinking is pure bigotry.

One more time. The solution is clear. If the non-maniacal Palestinian Arabs eradicate the maniacal Palestinian Arabs, the lives of the non-maniacal Palestinian Arabs will probably improve to equal or better the lives of the Palestinian Jews.



I agree! That is a pretty accurate description as far as it goes.

However, the Palestinian Arabs and neighboring Middle Eastern States did more than reject partition, they made war against the Palestinian Jews instead of attempting to negotiate with them. The UN partition itself would have never been ratified if the Palestinian Arabs had agreed to negotiate directly with the Palestinian Jews to establish a mutually agreeable Palestinian State in which Arabs and Jews therein agreed to "live and let live." We're all living to this date with the consequences of that blunder.



That's all BS.

I do not and never will I equate murder and maiming with maniacal behavior. I believe such behavior must be eradicated before any mutually satisfactory solution to the Palestinian problem can be implemented. So yes, I want to segregate the maniacs among all Palestinians from the non-maniacs among all Palestinians.



It's true that some Zionists attempted to do that, but not all Zionists, and certainly not all Palestinian Jews did that. It's an inescapable fact that many Palestinian Arabs fled Palestine at the urging of the maniacal Palestinians. It's also an inescapable fact that not all Palestinian Arabs bought that BS. Israel today has a significant population of Palestinian Arabs living as voting Israeli citizens within Israel. That fact is irrefutable.

Gelisgesti Posted:



"LEST WE FORGET ..."

just a quick note...I'm sure ican understands that the intent of my last post was not other than teasing.

Previous post:


Are you accusing me of understanding something? ... Hmmmmm? ... .... By golly, I'll always treasure that as a compliment. ..............

LOL

J'accuse

I enjoy Ican's posts. Unlike some others, he usually gives references and links. I don't see the same thing coming from B Latham.

Let's see, the last twenty posts on this thread by Ican contain no links.