THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

Murderers ought to lose their land to those they attempt to murder and to those whose family members they murdered.

Shocking and Awful

May 6, 2004
By MAUREEN DOWD

WASHINGTON

... were swanning around ... mingling with le hack Washington and a speckling of shiny imports ... The Pentagon potentates ... the torture pictures ... the latest example of a dysfunctional and twisted occupation
warped by arrogance over experience, ideology over common
sense. ... Myopia from Utopia!" ... these woolly
headed warriors ... Can't the hawks who dragged us into this hideous unholy war ... a huge worldwide, American-reputation-shattering military scandal ... so he doesn't keep nattering ... about how we had to go to war to close Iraq's torture chambers, when they are "really not
shut down so much as under new management ... a "party on, Garth" mood, less concerned with Humpty Dumpty Iraq or Unjolly Green Giant ... Rush Limbaugh compared the prison torture to "a college fraternity
prank," like a Skull and Bones initiation. ...

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

ican711nm wrote:

Murderers ought to lose their land to those they attempt to murder and to those whose family members they murdered.

This was abolished partly by the Codex Euricianus (about 450 AD) and completely by Charlemagne here in Germany (and Europe) - I wonder, if it could be re-established.

Main Entry: vic·tim
Pronunciation: 'vik-t&m
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English vyctym, from Latin victima; perhaps akin to Old High German wIh holy
1 : a living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a religious rite
2 : one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent <the schools are victims of the social system>: as a (1) : one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> <a murder victim> (2) : one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment <a frequent victim of political attacks> b : one that is tricked or duped <a con man's victim>
- vic·tim·hood /-"hud/ noun

Main Entry: thief
Pronunciation: 'thEf
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural thieves /'thEvz/
Etymology: Middle English theef, from Old English thEof; akin to Old High German diob thief
: one that steals especially stealthily or secretly; also : one who commits theft or larceny

Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: 'stE(&)l
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole /'stOl/; sto·len /'stO-l&n/; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
intransitive senses
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully <stole a car> b : to take away by force or unjust means <they've stolen our liberty> c : to take surreptitiously or without permission <steal a kiss> d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of <steal the show>
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner <steal a visit>
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring <a basketball player adept at stealing the ball> <stole the election> b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard
- steal·able /'stE-l&-b&l/ adjective
- steal·er noun
- steal a march on : to gain an advantage on unobserved
- steal one's thunder : to grab attention from another especially by anticipating an idea, plan, or presentation also : to claim credit for another's idea
synonyms STEAL, PILFER, FILCH, PURLOIN mean to take from another without right or without detection. STEAL may apply to any surreptitious taking of something and differs from the other terms by commonly applying to intangibles as well as material things <steal jewels> <stole a look at the gifts>. PILFER implies stealing repeatedly in small amounts <pilfered from his employer>. FILCH adds a suggestion of snatching quickly and surreptitiously <filched an apple from the tray>. PURLOIN stresses removing or carrying off for one's own use or purposes <printed a purloined document>.

Here's a mistake of yours that you can and ought to rectify: You declare to be victims those who murder innocents; you declare to be thieves those who attempt to defend themselves against murderers by occuping the land the murderers use to attempt murder.

"Mein Kampf" said as much in 1925-1926. You're in like company.

Except that Saddam would have his hands on the tap! Again you dont understand. Its not just buying it that counts, its controlling supply. America was not going to sit back and be dependent on Iraqi oil with someone like Saddam in charge.

"Mein Kampf" said as much in 1925-1926. You're in like company.

Here's a mistake of yours that you can and ought to rectify: You declare to be victims those who murder innocents; you declare to be thieves those who attempt to defend themselves against murderers by occuping the land the murderers use to attempt murder.

Ican wrote

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Here's a mistake of yours that you can and ought to rectify: You declare to be victims those who murder innocents; you declare to be thieves those who attempt to defend themselves against murderers by occuping the land the murderers use to attempt murder.

"Mein Kampf" said as much in 1925-1926. You're in like company.

that is a disgraceful comment Ican and you should withdraw it.

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

Ican wrote

Quote:

Here's a mistake of yours that you can and ought to rectify: You declare to be victims those who murder innocents; you declare to be thieves those who attempt to defend themselves against murderers by occuping the land the murderers use to attempt murder.

"Mein Kampf" said as much in 1925-1926. You're in like company.

that is a disgraceful comment Ican and you should withdraw it.

Disgraceful? Is it disgraceful or merely a painful truth to you, which?

Reread "Mein Kampf" and you may perhaps see that it is loaded with exactly the same kind of discourse you have been perveying here.

The Israelies, while surely not saintly people any more or less than the rest of us, have the same right to defend themselves against their murderers and self-declared murderers as any one else. If you want the Israelies to stop defending themselves against their murderers and declared murderers any way they choose, then convince the murderers and self declared murderers of Israelies to stop murdering and declaring their intention to murder Israelies. Israelies do not want land for anything other than their own security from those who repeatedly threaten and do murder them.

Yes, by all means, as quickly as you can get to it, reread "Mein Kampf". Failure on your part to do so, would really be "disgraceful."

I don't know where you studied law, and who taught you in law history, law theory and logics. But you should ask them to return the fees.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

I don't know where you studied law, and who taught you in law history, law theory and logics. But you should ask them to return the fees.

I'm self-taught and free of professorial propaganda.

No fee, just hard study.

To begin such a program yourself, I recommend The US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution. Then move on to the Ten Commandments and see if you can discern the relationsip of the predecessor to the successor.

Translation: I memorized things but I don't actually understand them.

Translation: I find people more intelligent than me (which includes most of humanity) intimidating.

Translation: This way I don't have to find out if I've made any mistakes.

You answered that to me, not to Steve.

Hey, dillwad..are you aware the Mein Kampf is prohibited in Germany? Are you also aware of just how offensive it was to suggest Walter read it?

Despite the fact that you seem to agree with its premise (remember your comments about how destroying people's culture would be valuable?), civilised pople do not.

Since I own three university library ID-cards, I could do so. Otherwise it's impossible, since it's forbidden in Germany - btw, on intension of the USA, since 1945 - to buy or store 'Mein Kampf' outsite scientific purposes.

I'm aware that Mein Kampf is prohibited in Germany. Perhaps it's too shaming reminder of Germany's past when it should be seen as an extremely valuable text book on how to detect lying propaganda and lying propagandists.

Yes, I anticipated that it would initially appear offensive until Walter realized that I was sincerely attempting to alert him to what was evidence of his own inverted logic, and would then see it as an act of tough love on my part.

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