Finn dAbuzz wrote:
It's always amazing to me to see how many people will argue against the wisdom of requiring people to carry insurance that they themselves wouldn't dream of going without.
This is a great example of how facile the arguments of Cyclo the Great Debater actually are.
The proponents of the Obamacare mandate are not arguing that it isn't sensible to have health insurance. They are arguing that it is unconstitutional for the government to require it.
Well, that's one of their arguments. But it's not one that holds much water.
Then again if you had any understanding of the Commerce Clause, had done any scholarship on the issue or even really any research AT ALL you would know that the case against HCreform is very, very weak.
I'll be 57 in a couple of weeks and it would be insane for me to deliberately reject health insurance, but if I was 25, and in good health, I might have taken the risk to go without. Whether or not that might be a foolish decision, I should have the right to make it.
I'm sorry but this just isn't compatible with the way our society operates.
You could 'choose' to engage in all sorts of dangerous or reckless behaviors that the government prohibits you from. Can't drive without insurance. Can't drive without wearing a seatbelt - even though it's just yourself that you would be hurting! Can't run a business without insurance.
I could go on but there's no real point.
I'm afraid I don't share your the warm and fuzzy feeling you experience whenever you think about The Government looking out for all of us poor slobs who don't see it the way you do.
This is the crux of the debate: You and your confreres think Americans can't be trusted to make sensible decisions about their lives, and so the State needs to step in and make them for them.
Everything is so black-and-white in your world, Finn. As if there are shining Democracy Freedom Capitalist Warriors on one hill, and their enemies, the Socialist Evil Communist Know-it-Alls on the other hill. It's not a realistic look at the world.
I think that history has proven - proven
- that whether people can or can't make the responsible choice, they often don't. And the ramifications are always bigger than just themselves.
Me and mine recognize that individual liberty will allow some people to make decisions which ultimately prove to be foolish, but that's how we learn, and take control of our lives.
You and Yours are interested in money, and that's it. Truly. You don't give a **** about anything other than money. All this crap about individual freedom is a smokescreen for greed because you don't quite
have the balls to admit your true feelings out loud.
If it wasn't for the fact that you suspect HCReform is going to cost you money, either in terms of taxes or in higher health care costs, you wouldn't care. At all.
One way or the other, the courts will decide this, and I'm very confident that they will continue to uphold the Commerce Clause - just as they have for the last 30-40 years.