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OBAMACARE is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 10:18 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Bullshit!
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 10:31 am
@H2O MAN,
Was it not the GOP who during the Bush terms wished to move the SS funds into the stock market so the rich could have a chance to steal that also? Somehow in any case I think the retirement stealing in more of a part of the GOP platform then the Democrats.

Hell almost all the first world counties had better health care then we do as judge by their longer average lifespans and lower infants deaths and pay roughly half per person also.

If single payer health care is so bad less see how ending Medicare will fly with our seniors.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 10:39 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Fido, Obama democrats talk of leveling the playing field and making thing equal for everyone. They lie.
They are actually attempting to make the dumbmasses equally miserable while they increase their wealth and power at our expense.


Other then France just before the French revolution name me one major country in the world that have the top two percent owning half the wealth of the nation.

Somehow the theory that the wealthy by pissing down on us will result in better lives for the rest of us seem not to had work out as they move the wealth and jobs off shore for better returns.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 10:55 am
Why do Fistriders like little boys so much? It must be a Liberal Progressive thing.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 11:54 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Fido, Obama democrats talk of leveling the playing field and making thing equal for everyone. They lie.
They are actually attempting to make the dumbmasses equally miserable while they increase their wealth and power at our expense.


Other then France just before the French revolution name me one major country in the world that have the top two percent owning half the wealth of the nation.

Somehow the theory that the wealthy by pissing down on us will result in better lives for the rest of us seem not to had work out as they move the wealth and jobs off shore for better returns.




Whether or not you consider the following to be "major" countries, their wealth disparity is greater than America's

Brazil
China
Argentina
Mexico
Turkey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

How about the world?

Quote:
Other disparities can be better appreciated when rich individuals (or corporations) are compared against poor individuals. According to some estimates, for instance:

"The richest 1 percent of people in the world receive as much as the bottom 57 percent, or in other words, less than 50 million richest people receive as much as 2.7 billion poor." (Milanovic 2002, p. 50)

The three richest people possess more financial assets than the poorest 10% of the world's population, combined [5].

As of May 2005, the three richest people in the world have assets that exceed the combined gross domestic product of the 47 countries with the least GDP, (calculation based on data from list of countries by GDP (PPP) and list of billionaires) (Annan, 1998)


The three richest people in the world?

1) Carlos Slim Helu - Mexico
2) William Gates - USA
3) Warren Buffet - USA

Of course Gates and Buffet are in the process of giving away most of their fortunes. Not sure about Buffet, but Gates funds a number of international projects - Maybe he should keep his charity closer to home?

BTW - Here are the next seven on the list:

4) Mukesh Ambani - India
5) Lakshmi Mittai - UK
6) Lawrence Ellison - USA
7) Bernard Arnault - France (Must be a a descendant of the aristocracy!)
8) Eike Batista - Brazil
9) Amancio Ortega - Spain
10) Karl Albrecht - Germany

More billionaire fun facts:

There are 937 of them

Michael Bloomberg (NY Nanny Mayor) is #23
Charles Koch (right-winger) is #24
George Soros (left-winger) is #34
Silvio Berlusconi (president of Italy) is #73
Rupert Murdoch (fox news devil) is #117

And the US is not the only culprit!

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The major component of the world's income inequality (the global Gini coefficient) is comprised by two groups of countries (called the "twin peaks" by Quah [1997]).

The first group has 13% of the world's population and receives 45% of the world's PPP income. This group includes the United States, Japan, Australia, Germany, France (damn! those frogs are still at it! ) and the United Kingdom, and comprises 500 million people with an annual income level over 11,500 PPP$.

The second group has 42% of the world's population and receives only 9% of the world PPP income. This group includes India, Indonesia and rural China, and comprises 2,100 million people with an income level under 1,000 PPP$. (See Milanovic 2001, p. 38).


And as for the poor US "Poor"...

Quote:
"An American having the average income of the bottom US decile is better-off than 2/3 of world population." (Milanovic 2002, p. 50)


OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 12:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
How much is (range)
"the bottom US decile" ?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 12:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Brazil
China
Argentina
Mexico
Turkey


I sure the hell do not consider them first world countries such as Japan or the countries in the European Union.

Major countries mean advance first world countries in my use the term in the post.

Canada hell yes Mexico hell no......................

Footnote Turkey to this point had not been allow to join the EU.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 12:41 pm
@BillRM,
I thought not.

You can be sure thought that by the time they reach First World status they will have worked this nasty wealth disparity problem out.

After all, China is following the Hong Model...oh wait, they're higher up the list than the US...never mind.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 02:38 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I thought not.

You can be sure thought that by the time they reach First World status they will have worked this nasty wealth disparity problem out.

After all, China is following the Hong Model...oh wait, they're higher up the list than the US...never mind.
U can 't throw a rock in Hong Kong
without hitting a Mercedes, unless u hit a Rolls Royce.

I love Hong Kong.
Its a fun place.
I 've gotten a lot of tailor-made suits there.





David
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 03:29 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Hawkeye no insurance model will work if you can wait until you are ill to be cover by insurance.

If everyone need to be cover rule go then the mandate on covering people with preexisting conditions will have to go also.


It is simply not the right way to do it... If taxes based upon ability to pay were levied to buck up a single payer system, and the profit people were got out of the act, we could all have affordable coverage... Sick people, and a society willing to accept sickness does not make a great society... Public health is a public problem... The bigger problem is that those without the sense to take care of themselves, or who have other resources, who can be convinced to work at slave wages without benefits because they think they can get away with it... They are scabs in a nation of scabs who are forever driving wages and conditions lower, and making baseless charges against those in need of a union, or their government to stand up for their rights...

Some people do not have the intelligence to work for and support democracy... They are natural born slaves who think all they need is a gun in hand to have freedom... Freedom where people have had it has always been won and defended collectively...
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2011 03:46 pm
@Fido,
It always amaze me how large percent of the total population you can get to vote again their best interests.

For a middle class person to be a member of today GOP or vote for GOP candidates is almost as insane as for a black person to support the KKK or a Jewish person supporting the Nazis party.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2011 06:58 am
@Fido,
Fido wrote:
Some people do not have the intelligence to work for and support democracy... They are natural born slaves


Liberal Progressive Left-wing-nut Democrats.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2011 07:10 am

I 've always supported, donated $$ to, worked for and voted for the Republican Party.
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Fido
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2011 07:31 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

It always amaze me how large percent of the total population you can get to vote again their best interests.

For a middle class person to be a member of today GOP or vote for GOP candidates is almost as insane as for a black person to support the KKK or a Jewish person supporting the Nazis party.

Majority rule is not democracy... Democracy does not allow you a vote on any issue that does not concern you... Democracy is self government... It does not give to anyone the right to use a vote to attack the rights of others... If this is a republic it is a commonwealth... Every citizen has a right to a piece of it... If people long denied their rights in their society find their only pleasure in the denial of rights to their fellow citizens then they are perfect slaves who should never raise their faces to meet the rising sun...

Each person to be worthy of democracy should demand from his society what is theirs, their rights and that which they cannot live without... Democracies are about the collective defense of rights, and not about the combination of majorities to squash the rights of minorities... Societies can go to hell by halves... Those who have cleaned up on the commonwealth and are trying to make it all private wealth have figured out the old Roman trick of divide and rule... They are not simply using a confused minority to destroy our rights... They are destroying our unity and our health, bleeding us of wealth, and as a result making our self defense as a people impossible.... They think they are just making millions... I know they are conspiring in treason...

We have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness just for a start... And if the commonwealth can support these rights it should deliver... In fact, neither happiness nor life is possible without health, and without health, public health, social health, individual health no liberty is possible...
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Fido
 
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Reply Sat 5 Feb, 2011 08:03 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Fido wrote:
Some people do not have the intelligence to work for and support democracy... They are natural born slaves


Liberal Progressive Left-wing-nut Democrats.
Get real...

Demanding rights is the last thing a slave does... The commonwealth even in private hands must still support the population and deliver our rights to us... Even the Roman republic recognized the rights of all those displaced from their property... Well; waterman, we are poor because they are rich, and we have nothing because they have all; and if they refuse to support the commonwealth while they take it all to themselves then they are nothing but traitors...

Now; I know the greatest attack on universal health care comes from the few people who have a little, and see themselves taxed into poverty for the support of those already poor... Their conspiracy against the poor does not protect them, and it does not protect their rights... What it does is bring closer the destruction of this country, our freedom and all we stand for and have fought for from day one...

It is not the liberals who are slaves; but creatures like waterman, who has all the backbone of mud... You are a slave... On your knees, or on your belly you are a slave... It makes you feel free to identify with the masters, but you are their slave... You think to defend your own little wealth from taxation; but what you defend from the obligation to support the community is the millions and billions of the commonwealth that is ours taken, and put in private hands to do a public good that does no good at all because slaves like you with your own narrow view of self interest prevent it because you know you are incapable of freedom, the courage, and the vision that feedom demands....
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 10:52 pm
@H2O MAN,
Wow! An example of right wing parenting and its results.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 05:25 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Health mandates also fall under a granted and unquestioned power [ ?? ] of the Constitution: the Commerce clause. And there exists a wealth of case law that supports this - the SC has been pimping the commerce clause for about 40 straight years now, for all sorts of things.

Cycloptichorn
That is a perversion of the Constitutional intendment.
Analogize the law by whose terms HItler took unlimited jurisdiction
after the Reichstag fire. I don t believe that the Founders woud approve.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 05:30 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Wow! An example of right wing parenting and its results.
We don 't ofen agree, Plain, but we do this time.
Indeed, right wing parenting includes contempt for authority, with gusto!!! YES!!!!!
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 09:18 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

plainoldme wrote:
Wow! An example of right wing parenting and its results.
We don 't ofen agree, Plain, but we do this time.
Indeed, right wing parenting includes contempt for authority, with gusto!!! YES!!!!!
Right wing parenting teaches contempt of authority because it is contemptable...

What do you think it teaches when one uses the authority of the Bible to attack civil authority when civil authority was at least elected by a majority, and few, if any, elected the authority given by the Bible, nor subject the Bible to fact checking of any sort??? All it teaches to the able of mind is to serve yourself at the expense of others just as the rich and the religious do, having no regard for tomorrow, for objective right, or honor...

People who use others, who deny to the many their rights, who tear away at the guts of society with howls and snarls to see who can glut themselves the fastest are not fit for human company, and should be driven into some figurative wastland to learn honor, humiliation, and cooperation...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 10:08 am
@Fido,
plainoldme wrote:
Wow! An example of right wing parenting and its results.
OmSigDAVID wrote:
We don 't ofen agree, Plain, but we do this time.
Indeed, right wing parenting includes contempt for authority, with gusto!!! YES!!!!!
Fido wrote:
Right wing parenting teaches contempt of authority because it is contemptable...
YEAH !!!



Fido wrote:
What do you think it teaches when one uses the authority of the Bible
to attack civil authority when civil authority was at least elected by a majority,
It illustrates free speech and the reasoning of the speaker,
such as it may be (to be accepted or rejected).




Fido wrote:
and few, if any, elected the authority given by the Bible, nor subject the Bible to fact checking of any sort???
It is the exercize of free speech, expressing different opinions.




Fido wrote:
All it teaches to the able of mind is to serve yourself at the expense of others
That sounds like a very fine idea to ME, Fido. Eat, drink and be merry!!!!!!!!!




Fido wrote:
just as the rich and the religious do, having no regard for tomorrow, for objective right, or honor...

People who use others, who deny to the many their rights,
who tear away at the guts of society with howls and snarls to see
who can glut themselves the fastest are not fit for human company,
and should be driven into some figurative wastland to learn honor,
humiliation, and cooperation...
Yadda, yadda, yadda

Fido, I don t want to say that u r a bad person,
but your posts include SO MANY different points, long rants,
that it is difficult & cumbersome to answer those many points; tedious & troublesome, not fun.
I suggest that u post the same information in separate
different posts which r dedicated to those few points.





David
 

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