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Hawaii governor can't find Bork's birth certificate

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 09:12 pm
@okie,
Quote:
I guess it turns out that the document does not exist, parados,

And again, you prove you don't know what an official birth certificate is.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jan, 2011 09:13 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Strange, watching Obama's speech now and he hasn't yet mentioned one thing about his birth certificate!!! I get the feeling he will not mention it. Laughing

I guess Obama has no reason to point out that so many Americans are idiots like you okie. Rather nice of him actually.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 09:06 am
Hawaii governor can't find Bork's birth certificate

"Where did that thing go, it was here a minute ago".
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 09:22 am

I wonder what will happen if it turns out that obama was never an American ?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 10:09 am
@OmSigDAVID,
okie's head will pop off.


I can't wait...
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 10:21 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


I wonder what will happen if it turns out that obama was never an American ?

It's more likely to turn out that you have never owned a gun, David
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 11:13 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:


I wonder what will happen if it turns out that obama was never an American ?

It's more likely to turn out that you have never owned a gun, David


That's something plainoldfool would say
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jan, 2011 06:58 pm
@parados,

OmSigDAVID wrote:


I wonder what will happen if it turns out that obama was never an American ?
parados wrote:
It's more likely to turn out that you have never owned a gun, David
Just rented, u think ?
parados
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 02:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Think about probability for a minute David.. Surely you must know what that is as a member of Mensa.
What is the probability that you have never owned a gun in your lifetime?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 02:54 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Think about probability for a minute David..
Surely you must know what that is as a member of Mensa.
I knew that b4 I joined.



parados wrote:
What is the probability that you have never owned a gun in your lifetime?
The probability is O,
in contemplation of known (by me) fact to the contrary.





David
parados
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 09:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
For a so called member of Mensa, you sure need a lot of hand holding to understand simple statements.

So.. what is the probability that Obama was born outside the US if it is more likely that you never owned a gun?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 10:12 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
For a so called member of Mensa, you sure need
a lot of hand holding to understand simple statements.
????

parados wrote:
So.. what is the probability that Obama was born outside the US if it is more likely that you never owned a gun?
The 2 statements r unrelated and do not affect one another.

Is this an effort at humor ?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 10:59 pm
OmSigDavid says:
Quote:


I wonder what will happen if it turns out that obama was never an American ?

I believe Parados is making a bit of a joke at your expense, deservedly, David. According to you, the probability of your never owning a gun is zero. The probability of Obama not being an American is also zero. (You cannot have a probability less than zero). But Parados is making the point that your musing is silly. It is. Obama's mother was American. Therefore he is American, by definition and law. There is no question.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 01:57 am
@MontereyJack,
OmSigDavid says:
Quote:


I wonder what will happen if it turns out that obama was never an American ?
MontereyJack wrote:
I believe Parados is making a bit of a joke at your expense, deservedly, David.
Yeah, I thawt he was having a little fun; harmless.




MontereyJack wrote:
According to you, the probability of your never owning a gun is zero.
Yes, because its a known fact.
It 'd be an oxymoronic contradiction in terms.




MontereyJack wrote:
The probability of Obama not being an American is also zero. (You cannot have a probability less than zero). But Parados is making the point that your musing is silly. It is.
It has been alleged that his african
grandmother said that she watched him get born
in an african village. It coud be possible; I dunno.
I did not see him get born.
For most Americans, it is not hard to come up
with a birth certificate; its not usually a point of controversy.




MontereyJack wrote:
Obama's mother was American.
Therefore he is American, by definition ?? and law.[WHICH law is that??] There is no question.
It is undenied that his mother is an American.
I deny the truth of your opinion of the law.
If the child of an American is born outside of America,
as a general rule, he is not an American.
(I think there might be an exception for
births in American embassies and maybe
American military bases on alien territory;
not too sure about that.)





David
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 02:10 am
David said:
Quote:
If the child of an American is born outside of America,
as a general rule, he is not an American.

Basically wrong. Under almost all actual situations, the kid is a citizen/
8 U.S.C. sec. 1401 (it actually has one of those strange symbols like 2 s's joined instead of "sec." but that's not on a standard keyboard)

Quote:
If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the US citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the US before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the US citizen parent's fourteenth birthday


There are a number of other kinds of cases in which a child is deemed a citizen by birth or by descent, too--that quote is only one of about ten possible combinations.

Birthright Citizenship in the United States", wikipedia.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 02:26 am
As a footnote, my sister married an Australian and got pregnant twice abroad, I think once id Sri Lanka and again in the United Arab Emirates. Both times she checked with the American Embassy about citizenship questions and both times they told her the kids would be American no matter where they were born, bacuase she was American.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 02:50 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

David said:
Quote:
If the child of an American is born outside of America,
as a general rule, he is not an American.

Basically wrong. Under almost all actual situations, the kid is a citizen/
8 U.S.C. sec. 1401 (it actually has one of those strange symbols
like 2 s's joined instead of "sec."
but that's not on a standard keyboard) [That IS the section sign.]

Quote:
If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the US citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the US before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the US citizen parent's fourteenth birthday


There are a number of other kinds of cases in which a child is deemed a citizen by birth or by descent, too--that quote is only one of about ten possible combinations.

Birthright Citizenship in the United States", wikipedia.
Your argument is that the kid is a CITIZEN,
and hence eligible to be elected President.

That may well be a non-sequitur.
(Note that aliens who have achieved naturalized citizenship
have never been eligible to be elected President.
Arnold Schwarzenegger is not eligible for election to the Presidency.)

Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution provides:
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States,
at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,
shall be eligible to the Office of President; . . .".[Emfasis was added by David.]

It is questionable that he is a natural born citizen
if he is born on alien territory.

As a practical matter,
it woud be whatever 5 Justices of the USSC felt like deciding,
how wide a liberal variation from the text
of the Constitution thay were willing to tolerate.





David
parados
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 08:26 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
For most Americans, it is not hard to come up
with a birth certificate; its not usually a point of controversy.

And it wasn't hard for Obama to come up with a birth certificate either. His official birth certificate is available for everyone to look at online. It is the similar to any birth certificate any other American would get to show they were born in the US. The US government obviously accepted Obama's when he applied for a passport so any argument that it isn't valid is specious at best or plain old stupidity.


Quote:
If the child of an American is born outside of America,
as a general rule, he is not an American.
Where did you say you studied law? Perhaps you have forgotten you should research the law before before you comment on it. At no time in US history has the child born to a US citizen not been an American as a general rule.

Quote:
Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html
parados
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 08:29 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OMG David...
I wonder if you are going senile because your comments are not that of someone that is above average intelligence.

A child born to an American citizen overseas is, in most cases, a natural born citizen under the law. The rare cases are when the American citizen hasn't resided in the US within the last 10 years.
Arnold was NOT born to US citizens. Even you can't be that ignorant, can you?
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 28 Jan, 2011 08:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
As a practical matter,
it woud be whatever 5 Justices of the USSC felt like deciding,
how wide a liberal variation from the text
of the Constitution thay were willing to tolerate.

Right David, and since the US Congress in 1790 passed a law making all children born to US citizens overseas natural born citizens, it would be hard for them to rule any way but one, don't you think?
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