@parados,
Quote:For most Americans, it is not hard to come up
with a birth certificate; its not usually a point of controversy.
parados wrote:And it wasn't hard for Obama to come up with a birth certificate either. His official birth certificate is available for everyone to look at online. It is the similar to any birth certificate any other American would get to show they were born in the US. The US government obviously accepted Obama's when he applied for a passport so any argument that it isn't valid is specious at best or plain old stupidity.
Copies thereof
SHOUD BE AVAILABLE from the original issuing source.
I have gotten copies of birth certificates
from their source by asking for them and sending a processing fee.
Quote:If the child of an American is born outside of America,
as a general rule, he is not an American.
parados wrote:Where did you say you studied law? Perhaps you have forgotten you should research the law before before you comment on it. At no time in US history has the child born to a US citizen not been an American as a general rule.
I will admit that I did not study the law of immigration.
That was an elective course in which I had no interest.
I have never had even remote contact with any litigated
case of immigration. I remain pleased with that.
Your second link tells us:
" The ABC’s of Immigration:
Citizenship Rules for People Born Outside the United States
All persons born in the United States are citizens of the United States [ . . .]
This is perhaps the only simple rule of US citizenship.
One of the most complicated areas of US citizenship law
involves the passage of citizenship to children born outside the US
to one or more US citizen parents.
While naturalized US citizens are treated like
natural born citizens, which includes those who
are deemed citizens even when born outside the
US, in almost every respect, there is one
important office that only natural born citizens
can hold – the presidency (though expect to see
efforts in Congress to change this if Governor
Arnold Schwarzenegger decides to run for
President). . . .
The rules determining when such children are
citizens are extremely detailed, and vary a great
deal depending on when the child was born since
the laws changed several times in the 20th century."
Obama alleges that this is not an issue in his case,
because he allegedly was born in Hawaii.
If someone runs for the Presidency
who admittedly was born of an American citizen
who was on alien territory at the time of birth,
I 'm not sure whether he will be deemed a natural
born American citizen.
Quote:Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens:
I doubt that Congress has the authority to change
what the Constitution says qua who are "natural born citizens."
Admittedly, there is a possibility that the Founders
did (secretly) embrace that definition in mind
that the children of American citizens born outside
of America will be American citizens. Maybe. I dunno.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States
http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html