@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:I'll make this simple for you:
"Killing" and "murdering" are two different things. All murders are killings, but not all killings are murders. Laura Bush killed someone when she was 17. That doesn't make her a murderer.
So when a person says that large-capacity clips are only useful for killing lots of people, that's not the same thing as saying that large-capacity clips are only useful for murdering lots of people, and when you accuse people of taking the position that large-capacity clips are only useful for murdering people when they actually have said that those clips are only useful for killing people, you are misrepresenting their position and creating a strawman argument.
Sheesh!
The claim was that these clips were only useful for shooting lots of people in a non-self-defense context.
I assert that implicit in this claim is that it only refers to intentional shooting of people.
So we don't have a claim that "the clips are only useful for shooting lots of people".
We have a claim that "these clips are only useful for the intentional shooting of people without the justification of self defense".
I'm not misrepresenting anyone's position.
joefromchicago wrote:Society permits the police, in certain circumstances, to kill people. That's why cops carry guns.
Non-police too, can kill people in certain circumstances. Self-defense for example.
joefromchicago wrote:Because the police are permitted to kill people, they are also, presumably, permitted to kill lots of people.
That's an interesting presumption. It's more on target than "shooting lots of clay pigeons".
However.....
Because ordinary civilians are permitted to kill people in self defense, they are also permitted to kill lots of people in self defense.
joefromchicago wrote:Consequently, when some folks say that large-capacity clips are only useful for killing lots of people, they would not be hypocrites if they also took the position that it would be permissible for cops to have those clips, notwithstanding your increasingly childish attempts to the contrary.
No, I still have them dead-to-rights on the hypocrisy charge, among other charges.
