Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 07:36 pm
@Setanta,
bungee jesus...?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 07:46 pm
Now there's bungy jumping.
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tenderfoot
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 11:06 pm
Any how.. God was white and he made Adam and Eve in his own image. He never made any black Adams and Eve's, so Jeeby boy must of bin white.. Duno why you guys couldn't work that out... There's no one more old and stupid than I and I did, I think.
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shay15
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 03:16 pm
@failures art,
I don't believe Jesus was white. If he was born in Israel, he'd be dark just like all the people born in Israel today. Unless there was a huge climate difference back then and Africa was cold, but I doubt it. Same thing with King Tut. National Geographic portrayed him as white, and I disagree.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 03:21 pm
Dunno what-all you folks mean by "white." I never met a white man in my life. That Joker feller in the Batman comics and fillums seems to be white but tht's fiction, I never did meet anyone like that. The background of this here page I'm typing on, that's white. We are all "people of color." Some have lighter, some darker skin pigmentation, that's all.

Btw, I never met a "black man" yet either.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 04:22 pm
@failures art,
Actually Jesus was a white tattooed gay guy named Bradley, lives about a mile from me.

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9244/bradjesus.jpg
failures art
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 04:28 pm
@jcboy,
Arm floatees just in case he can't walk on water.
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Philis
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 12:36 am
@failures art,
Jesus was a hebrew, dark hair and all that that includes, i know I will see him, will you
failures art
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 01:18 am
@Philis,
Philis wrote:

Jesus was a hebrew, dark hair and all that that includes,

"All that it includes?" Perhaps, dark skin?

How many pictures of Jesus are made in a year? What percent of these artistic interpretations reflect the best information we have? Those that don't, why don't they? What harm is there in trying to be accurate?

Philis wrote:

i know I will see him, will you

I have no reason to believe either of us will see any such person (0f any complexion). That you believe it is one thing, but your certainty is absurd when you assert you "know" it.

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 03:35 pm
@failures art,
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It's pretty common in the West to see Jesus portrayed as a slender Caucasian man. Long brown hair and a clean beard.

I'm curious as to the feelings of Christians about this almost universal portrayal of Christ.

1) Do you believe it's factual?

Not really...

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1a) If so, then why choose white?

Because the first person who portrayed him as white was probably white also...


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1b) If not, then why do you believe this imagery is the default?

because it has been adopted for thousands of years...

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What is the effect of that on believers?

that even the righteous truly do not know what the Messiah himself looks like, but his appearance in irrelevant...If you can't accept and know God from his presence alone...that his image isn't really the focal point...but his grace, and message are...


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2) Do you think it matters?

His image alone?? Not really...(read above...)


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2a) If so, then why choose white?

Because the first person to portray Jesus Christ was most likely white...


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2b) If not, then why isn't there more diversity?

I think there already is to a degree, If you look at a picture of Jesus Christ from a Irish decent, they portray him with a redish beard, if you look from an African American view, his skin is darker in color etc...

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What is the effect on that on believers?

That it really isn't of importance, but that the grace, and acceptance to follow and obey him is the matter of importance....

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3) What would be the reaction to challenging this standard?

Honestly, not much at all...For when people see Jesus coming again in the second coming, whatever way he reveals himself, people will know by his mear presence it is him...

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Thanks

And BTW: my own personal perception is that Jesus was not a skinny frail boney white boy, but an olive skinned, tough guy...he was a tough man...I hope this helps....
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 03:51 pm
I had completely forgotten how much fun this thread was.

http://scotteriology.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/biker-jesus.jpg

I wanna know how he got his beard that way.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 03:58 pm
http://www.urantiansojourn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/JesusReturns.jpg

He's definitely a white boy.
thack45
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 04:44 pm
@Setanta,
From the Kevin Smith film Dogma
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg/300px-Buddy_christ.jpg
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failures art
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 05:24 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Quote:
It's pretty common in the West to see Jesus portrayed as a slender Caucasian man. Long brown hair and a clean beard.

I'm curious as to the feelings of Christians about this almost universal portrayal of Christ.

1) Do you believe it's factual?

Not really...

Then other creative interpretations exist that you believe would be more accurate.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Quote:
1a) If so, then why choose white?

Because the first person who portrayed him as white was probably white also...

Why would the artist being white effect their desire to draw Jesus as white. I'm not black, but I have no desire to draw Michael Jordan as anything but.

Would you expand on why a white person would do this? Two possibilities exist in my head:

Benign: They simply didn't know what to make Jesus look like. His features were chosen out of ignorance.

Creative Liberty: Jesus would be more appealing to Europeans if he shared traits with them. Getting the group to worship a person of dark complexion would be hard.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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1b) If not, then why do you believe this imagery is the default?

because it has been adopted for thousands of years...

Is this a good reason, in your opinion?

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Quote:
What is the effect of that on believers?

that even the righteous truly do not know what the Messiah himself looks like, but his appearance in irrelevant...If you can't accept and know God from his presence alone...that his image isn't really the focal point...but his grace, and message are...

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2) Do you think it matters?

His image alone?? Not really...(read above...)

I disagree. Christianity is heavily reliant on it's imagery. Jesus on the cross is the staple go to. Given that such an image invokes guilt and sympathy for pain, having the victim (Jesus) be as immediately relatable is a means to an emotional bond. Would medieval European people be as sympathetic to images of a middleeasterner being tortured?

I'm skeptical they would. I think the portrayal of white Jesus is cognitive dissonance. It's ubiquitous. A factual portrayal is less important, and less desired than an emotionally appealing one. That emotion or rational thinking I believe is very common in Christianity.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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2a) If so, then why choose white?

Because the first person to portray Jesus Christ was most likely white...

It doesn't matter, so choose white?

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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2b) If not, then why isn't there more diversity?

I think there already is to a degree, If you look at a picture of Jesus Christ from a Irish decent, they portray him with a redish beard, if you look from an African American view, his skin is darker in color etc...

To a small degree, yes. Doesn't this support the emotional argument?

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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What is the effect on that on believers?

That it really isn't of importance, but that the grace, and acceptance to follow and obey him is the matter of importance....

Why isn't it important? It's a part of people's relationship. When you close your eyes, you create an image of him. That image is what you relate to.

Accuracy shouldn't matter? Details and facts aren't important? Perhaps this is symptomatic of a style of thought.

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

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3) What would be the reaction to challenging this standard?

Honestly, not much at all...For when people see Jesus coming again in the second coming, whatever way he reveals himself, people will know by his mear presence it is him...

That's a non-reply.

Also, who is to say that such a being hasn't already came back, and nobody recognized him because he didn't fulfill their aesthetic desire?
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

And BTW: my own personal perception is that Jesus was not a skinny frail boney white boy, but an olive skinned, tough guy...he was a tough man...I hope this helps....

Like this?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RccTLu6UaMc/TK-A61aVf9I/AAAAAAAACKg/pApR5m3ibwM/s1600/muscular-jesus-breaking-cross.jpg

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jan, 2012 11:54 pm
@failures art,
Quote:
Then other creative interpretations exist that you believe would be more accurate.

Correct, as I have stated at the buttom of my last post what I perceive he truly looks like....

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Why would the artist being white effect their desire to draw Jesus as white. I'm not black, but I have no desire to draw Michael Jordan as anything but.

Would you expand on why a white person would do this? Two possibilities exist in my head:

Benign: They simply didn't know what to make Jesus look like. His features were chosen out of ignorance.

No...

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Creative Liberty: Jesus would be more appealing to Europeans if he shared traits with them. Getting the group to worship a person of dark complexion would be hard.

Yes...It was done in a way that Jesus knew before hand, how to reveal himself so that he would be embraced...Now, that people have to accept him, his appearance is irrelevant because once you get to "know Christ" there is no mistaking him, and no misguidance by him...he simply is there, always...So in all honesty, if he wished to reveal himself looking like Satan, and Satan looked like Christ (though Christ would never mislead or forsake, and I'm not suggesting he would) You would still know in your heart rather quickly who the real God was, and who the devil was....

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Is this a good reason, in your opinion?

Yes and no, Yes, because God ultimately had to reveal himself, but understanding him goes way deeper than appearances...No, because foolish people will not challenge the picture they see of Jesus Christ, or are totally unaware that his apperance is not signifigant, but his message's are, and when he comes, you will know it him...

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I disagree. Christianity is heavily reliant on it's imagery. Jesus on the cross is the staple go to. Given that such an image invokes guilt and sympathy for pain, having the victim (Jesus) be as immediately relatable is a means to an emotional bond. Would medieval European people be as sympathetic to images of a middleeasterner being tortured?

If he was God in the flesh, and did the things that Jesus did, then yes...

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I'm skeptical they would. I think the portrayal of white Jesus is cognitive dissonance. It's ubiquitous. A factual portrayal is less important, and less desired than an emotionally appealing one. That emotion or rational thinking I believe is very common in Christianity.

Why would his appearance be more important, than what he did? in his life, death and ressurrection?? (to us believers, it's not) If you think otherwise, please explain why??

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It doesn't matter, so choose white?

If the first people who embraced Christianity, and founded the church was in Africa, then he would have chose a darker skin color.. etc...This is validated by God saying in Revelations that people of every race and ethnicity will be in Heaven, If you think about it...Jesus if God, and all good things, and knows everyone, then he probably (in the Heavenly Father, is probably 1% of every ethnicity that exists...) (or something to the effect of that)

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To a small degree, yes. Doesn't this support the emotional argument?

What supports the emotional argument is that people who believe he is the Lord, can feel the pain he went thru to save their lives...and that there not focusing on his image, but of his essence...this is proven to a certain degree, because people embrace the Lord, as their savior, and see him, but do not Identify him in their mind (that often) as on the cross, but alive, and living, speaking with them....

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Why isn't it important? It's a part of people's relationship. When you close your eyes, you create an image of him. That image is what you relate to.

Yes. but the image is not solely based on what he looks like, but more to do with his presence, and what he says that pertains to your life, in understanding you, and accepting you, and telling you to follow and obey him...

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Accuracy shouldn't matter? Details and facts aren't important? Perhaps this is symptomatic of a style of thought.

I never said accuracy isn't important, nor details and facts, I said that his presence, Him there is of the most importance, and you would know it was him if he was to reveal himself as something else...If he wanted to do this (again not saying he would, but he could)

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That's a non-reply.

Also, who is to say that such a being hasn't already came back, and nobody recognized him because he didn't fulfill their aesthetic desire?

I highly doubt that has happened...If that is the case, than his whole story is bullshit isn't it? either he exists or does not, I don't think it's even plausible by his preachings, and life, death, and ressurenction to believe he is there, but none embraced him...

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Like this? (picture)

Not really, More of a mental toughness than of a muscular person...


failures art
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2012 12:31 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Why would his appearance be more important, than what he did? in his life, death and ressurrection?? (to us believers, it's not) If you think otherwise, please explain why??

I never said it would matter more. I'm just amazed at how casually this goes unchallenged, and brushed off as if it doesn't matter at all.

Why would it matter? Because it's a part of the picture you buy into, and if the authorities you trust are willing to overtly promote a falsehood, then what you believe about acts (read: the things you believe he did) could also be casually drafted up to make your relationship more emotionally bonded. If the goal is to make people find Jesus, and you demonstrate the willingness to promote untruths because they are successful to your agenda, the image of Christ is important.

As long as your aesthetic desire is met--A belief that you have a relationship with a god--then things like details and facts become less and less important. You're perfectly conditioned for manipulation.

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The clergy are willing to lie--You're eager to be lied to.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2012 12:44 am
@failures art,
Wrong indeed! as no clergy would even except what I am in fact saying...This is truly from my heart...but thanks anyways for trying to stomp on my heart because you feel "inclined" to disagree with me...have a nice day!
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2012 12:46 am
@failures art,
Just out of curiosity, why did you ask this question to begin with?? If it was not for a reputable answer from a Christ Follower??? Was your mission to ask to bring them up, then tear them down?? Just curious...
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2012 05:27 am
What a pathetic hillbilly holy roller, preacher wannabe . . .

http://ligumc.com/clientimages/42938/jesus_8.jpg

A Jesus who actually looks Jewish . . . oy vey ! ! !
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jan, 2012 09:12 am
I do not know what you people are on about.
Jesus was white. Clearly.
And he spoke English.
He was a capitalist, and he was opposed to Islam.
He loved shopping and America.
God is, after all, American...
 

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