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Why don't we recite the US Constitution.

 
 
Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 06:54 pm
I have noticed that the Constitution of the United States has never been recited on Able2Know. As I am more patriotic than some other Americans around hear, I intend to fix this.

So I am starting this thread to recite the Constitution. Of course, although me and my circle of friends are more patriotic than other posters, I will allow others to join if they choose. I also realize there are non-Americans around here, but there is no reason that you can't acknowledge the foundational document of the greatest democracy that has ever existed.

Of course, we will be slightly modifying the constitution. There are part the founders put in the original document, that the founders wouldn't have intended if they were intending what we meant them to intend. We will skip the sections about black people being worth 3/5ths of a white person or congress regulating interstate trade between states that make us uncomfortable. Don't feel too bad about this, they did the same with Huck Finn and the Bible.

And there are ground rules of course, so as we can keep decorum. You should request to be recognized. Once you have been recognized you can post the next two or three sentences.

Just think of how righteous you will feel.
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 06:56 pm
@maxdancona,
I recognize myself:

Quote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 07:57 pm
What, there isn't anyone who loves their country enough to mindless repeat the Constitution with me?

Funny thing, I just found out the new House just tried to do the same thing, with similar results (yes, those are empty Republican seats)

http://www.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/constreadingc_010611.jpg

Or does this mean that reciting the Constitution in such a way is really nothing more then a self-righteous political stunt?

(Whoever it was who thumbed THIS thread down is clearly a commie).


Fido
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 10:58 pm
@maxdancona,
Let's keep the Preamble; because there was nothing wrong with the goals... The goals have waited while the parties went to the toilet, and never returned...

Does anyone want to help me write a new constitution??? There must be something else we can save from the old one...
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 06:03 am
@Fido,
Quote:
Let's keep the Preamble; because there was nothing wrong with the goals... The goals have waited while the parties went to the toilet, and never returned...

Does anyone want to help me write a new constitution??? There must be something else we can save from the old one...


No way! I like the old one. And I think the US has done pretty damn well overall since our Constitution was ratified.

I guess I just love my country more then you do. But, no, you can't screw around with its founding document.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 06:05 am
Quote:
Article. I.

Section. 1.

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 07:40 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Quote:
Let's keep the Preamble; because there was nothing wrong with the goals... The goals have waited while the parties went to the toilet, and never returned...

Does anyone want to help me write a new constitution??? There must be something else we can save from the old one...


No way! I like the old one. And I think the US has done pretty damn well overall since our Constitution was ratified.

I guess I just love my country more then you do. But, no, you can't screw around with its founding document.

Our founding document is the Declaration of Independence... It is strange how many people say they love the country but hate the people in it, or who only say they love the country because it offers the people so few protections from criminal exploitation... I care about the people, and I care about the people we injure as a country, and I care for all the people we might help if we could only help ourselves out of our slavery...
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 07:47 am
@Fido,
Quote:
Our founding document is the Declaration of Independence... It is strange how many people say they love the country but hate the people in it, or who only say they love the country because it offers the people so few protections from criminal exploitation... I care about the people, and I care about the people we injure as a country, and I care for all the people we might help if we could only help ourselves out of our slavery...


I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I suspect you don't either.

The Declaration of Independence ended control of a government. It did nothing to found a new nation. It was a document of dissolution, not of founding (not to mention it was written by people who owned slaves and didn't give them up even after the wrote these fine words about equality and rights).

You might be interested to know that it was the Constitution that provided the mechanism to end slavery.

Don't worry, we will get to that part.


Fido
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 07:52 am
@maxdancona,
It was accepted and signed by the representatives of our government at the time... This was a statement of the rights they were united in defense of, and their notice to the world that we were in business for ourselves...What do you want to say about the article of confederation; that they did not exist because they did not last??? Consider how long we went without a constitution... Were we in utero??? Learn some history dumass...
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 07:56 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

I have noticed that the Constitution of the United States has never been recited on Able2Know. As I am more patriotic than some other Americans around hear, I intend to fix this.

So I am starting this thread to recite the Constitution. Of course, although me and my circle of friends are more patriotic than other posters, I will allow others to join if they choose. I also realize there are non-Americans around here, but there is no reason that you can't acknowledge the foundational document of the greatest democracy [It was never a democracy.] that has ever existed.

Of course, we will be slightly modifying the constitution. There are part the founders put in the original document, that the founders wouldn't have intended if they were intending what we meant them to intend. We will skip the sections about black people being worth 3/5ths of a white person or congress regulating interstate trade between states that make us uncomfortable. Don't feel too bad about this, they did the same with Huck Finn and the Bible.

And there are ground rules of course, so as we can keep decorum. You should request to be recognized. Once you have been recognized you can post the next two or three sentences.

Just think of how righteous you will feel.

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 07:57 am
@Fido,
Quote:
It was accepted and signed by the representatives of our government at the time... Learn some history dumass...


And what did it found?

You can read the document yourself - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence

It does three things. It presents a list of grievances, it declares independence from the English throne, and it leaves a set of "independent states". There was no "our government". These were representatives of individual colonies who, in the Declaration of Independence itself, saw themselves as fully independent states. "Our government" wasn't formed until the articles of Confederation which was signed the next year.



Fido
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 08:40 am
@maxdancona,
It stated the reasons for our unity, and our right to abolish old forms, meaning old forms of government, and to establish a new form of government, and it stated in general the rights it intended to defend... It was general enough to inspire people to die in defense of it, and not so specific that it would bind those who wrote the constitution to defense of it... Clearly, Abraham Lincoln who was an attorney, and a scholar of the constitution, and before becoming president was an elected representative in Illinois and for Illinois in the federal House of Representatives thought of it as our founding document, and we celebrate the signing of it as our birth as a nation...

The constitution only attempts to supercede the older documents, to spell out specific areas of authority, and more definite rules.. Don't you see it is retarded to suggest we did not exist until the constitution was ratified??? If we did not, under what authority was it signed??? Because we were never separate states, but each state came into existence at the moment they rejected the position of Colony.. And they did this together...
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 08:58 am
@Fido,
In 1787, the Constitution proclaimed a political philosophy that has led to greater well-being and happiness for more people over more centuries than anything Europe's totalitarians ever did, why change it?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 09:11 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

What, there isn't anyone who loves their country enough to mindless repeat the Constitution with me?

Funny thing, I just found out the new House just tried to do the same thing, with similar results (yes, those are empty Republican seats)

Or does this mean that reciting the Constitution in such a way is really nothing more then a self-righteous political stunt?


Why did they do this recitation anyway? I never quite understood what the political undercurrent was that prompted this reading. I figured it was some sort of political stunt/statement, but I lost track of who was doing it and why.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 09:17 am
@rosborne979,
Why wouldn't they read it?

I don't understand why anyone would be against it's reading.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 09:20 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:
Why did they do this recitation anyway? I never quite understood what the political undercurrent was that prompted this reading. I figured it was some sort of political stunt/statement, but I lost track of who was doing it and why.
To ascertain WHAT thay r loyal to and to try to prevent the liberals from deviating therefrom.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 09:21 am
@H2O MAN,
let's be real though, in the same way the dems suckered folks into thinking they were getting everything for free, this stunt just makes folks think the teapublicans care

it's all carnies and rubes, you just have to pick your side of the midway
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 09:25 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:
let's be real though, in the same way the dems suckered folks into thinking
they were getting everything for free, this stunt just makes folks think the teapublicans care

it's all carnies and rubes, you just have to pick your side of the midway
We DO care about the Constitution. That 's the whole idea.





David
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 09:29 am
@djjd62,
It may have been some sort of patriotic stunt, but it's not about suckering the people like the dems often do.

Conservative Americans believe, support and protect the US Constitution, liberal progressive democrats have
yet to show any form of support for the US Constitution.

djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 09:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
it's not about the constitution though, it's just about appearances

lot's of folks say they care about things they have no idea about

i believe you and others are passionate, but they aren't doing it for you, they're doing it for the rubes who want it to look like it they care about things

you can like what i say or not, but i think i'm right about my assessment of why a politician does anything

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