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Your voting record

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 04:30 pm
fbaezer, what party did you stand for in '73, if I may ask? And yeh, like what she asked: did you win?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 04:33 pm
Nah, didn't think it's pidgeonholin'

Economically I'm not right though (unless anyone who doesn't hate corporations is right). In terms of social programs I'm left. But I am not an enemy of business.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 04:34 pm
ossobuco wrote:
I would like to vote green, have once locally, but I am uncomfortable with the possibility of my vote keeping a Democrat from winning, thus affecting possible balance in legislature/or more. If the vote is lopsided in favor of a Republican, I might vote green, depending on the candidate - or conversely, if there is a gathering momentum where a green could actually win, then I'd also be interested.

That is a reasonable fear, and a great point. In 1996 the Democrats and Republicans teamed up to prevent Ross Perot from participating in the Debates; on the premise that he didn't stand a chance at winning. This, despite garnering 19% of the popular vote in 1992; a year in which he doubled his following (litterally) during the Presidential Debates. In one of few Bi-partisan efforts, they effectively fullfilled their own proficy. I still believe if Ross hadn't quit in 1992 he would have become President. Something needs to be done to prevent the 2 party system from cheating 3rd party candidates.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 05:18 pm
OK, my own answer.

Pretty straightforward really. I've almost always voted for the Green Left, which had been founded just as I got old enough to vote (1989).

(The Green Left is to the left of Labour, be it more individualist/libertine, and to the right of the Socialist Party. Its always gotten in between 3,5% and 7,5% of the vote in national elections and usually does better in local elections - especially in big cities with a university ; ).

In local elections I've voted other things, too - twice "Livable Utrecht" and once a party called Grass (which had two programme points: more trees in the city and legalisation of soft drugs).

I also refused to vote Green Left some time in '94 because I was angry at their choice of national leaders. They'd decided to make the no. 1 spot a "duo-job", and in a referendum among party members the later (solo) party leader Rosenmoller + partner were defeated by the former communist Ina Brouwer and Moroccan community leader Mohammed Rabbae. Luckily Brouwer dissapeared quickly after that and I could come back "home".

I finally became a member in '99, when the party came out in favour of the war against Yugoslavia: the newspapers were writing about how many angry pacifists were suspending their membership, it seemed the right time to enlist.

My whole fit about Brouwer had been ironic really, considering my very first vote was in the "shadow elections" they stage at secondary schools when there are national elections. My school was pretty off-centre as it was, but I still was the only one to have voted Socialist Workers Party. Embarrassed

(I went to a Montessori School. The biggest party there was the rich-people's right-wing-liberal VVD, and the second biggest the Pacifist Socialists ;-) )

My mother was on the Labour list some time, and I probably wouldve voted for her, but I dont think I was old enough to yet. I voted for her best friend on the Green Left ticket in my first local elections, though. Funnily enough, my father - who in the early 70s had been voted out of the local Labour board because he was too radical - almost made it back into the local council last year, also for the Green Left. You can guess what my "political education" was like, I think Razz .
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 05:20 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
Economically I'm not right though (unless anyone who doesn't hate corporations is right). In terms of social programs I'm left. But I am not an enemy of business.


Social liberal it is, then ;-)
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 05:44 pm
1956 Too young, but favored Democrat Stevenson over Eisenhower
1960 Too young, but favored Republican Nixon over Kennedy
1964 Didn't vote
1968 Democrat Humphrey over Nixon
1972 Didn't vote
1976 Democrat Carter
1980 Democrat Carter
1984 Democrat Mondale over Reagan
1988 Democrat Dukakis over Bush
1992 Democrat Clinton over Bush
1996 Green Nader over Clinton and Dole
2000 Green Nader over Bush and Gore
2004 Democrat
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 05:48 pm
Polski wrote:
1972 - Voted for McGovern. Our county gave him 73% of the vote. To bad the rest of the country hated him.


OK, now you got me curious - where are you from?

Fascinating thread, btw.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 05:51 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Almost straight line Liberal federally, and New Democrat provincially, though I voted communist in a federal election once - because he was the only candidate who showed up at an all-candidates debate, and I voted Rhinoceros a few times to protest what I perceived as a lack of real options.


I'm curious, again - what's "Rhinoceros"?
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Wilso
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 06:35 pm
I consider myself a swinging voter. But I'll only swing between the middle and the left. Swung to the right once. Will never do it again.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 06:50 pm
Wilso wrote:
I consider myself a swinging voter.

Strange, you don't look like Dean Martin.....
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 06:51 pm
Quote:
The Rhino Party was a party that was created as a spoof on the antics of the real party. Their party platform contained things like: bulldosing the rocky mountains to make slopping bicycle paths from sea to sea; moving Prince Edward Island into Lake Ontario to move it closer to central canada. They marched on US Embassy demanding the release of their party leader -- being held as a political prisoner -- in San Diego Zoo (a Rhino).

It was a great party, a way for people to show there displeasure of existing Candidates -- a "None of the above" option on the federal election.


from a most fascinating site
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 06:54 pm
Quote:
May 15, 2002
The Rhinos are Back!
Not many people realize this, but the Rhinoceros party has been resurrected in Canada.

They only have one official party priority at this time: They want to change the official name of British Columbia to "La La Land", to "more accurately reflect the true nature of our geopolitical reality."

I quote from their website:


After an alcohol-induced hibernation of almost 13 years, Canada's most beloved political party, okay Canada's ONLY beloved political party, is staggering to its feet, shaking the mental cobwebs from its big, fat head and preparing to rampage across B.C. Ladies and gentlemen... wait a minute, neither ladies nor gentlemen will be too pleased with this news. Children of all ages, however, will rejoice in the knowledge that the Rhino Party is back!

I think this is a party with a future. It is a party with vision - one of their election promises years ago was to have the Rocky Mountains bulldozed so that Alberta could get a few extra minutes of daylight.

America could use a Rhino party. When politics is absurd, the absurd should become politicians. In an insane world, only the sane man appears insane. Or something like that.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 07:12 pm
I like dys' voting record. It's so similar to mine.
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Montana
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 07:15 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
I like dys' voting record. It's so similar to mine.


Same here.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 20 Dec, 2003 08:57 pm
ehBeth wrote:
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America could use a Rhino party. When politics is absurd, the absurd should become politicians. In an insane world, only the sane man appears insane. Or something like that.


Ah - cool. That kind of parties are a bit of a pet topic for me - I have a distinct weakness for them. Like the UK's Monster Raving Loony Party ("you know it makes sense!"), or Estonia's Royalist Party (Estonia never had a royal house, but the Royalists were undaunted and suggested adopting some other country's Royals, then, instead), or "Latvian Luck", which incorporated the Idiots' Party (and wanted to up the number of parliamentarians from 100 to 10,000, so that every Latvian would get his turn within a decade), or Poland's "Party of the Friends of Beer". But I'd never heard of the Rhino's. Very cool.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 21 Dec, 2003 09:37 am
hobitbob

Wilso wrote:
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I consider myself a swinging voter
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Hobitbob wrote
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Strange, you don't look like Dean Martin.....


I conjured up a completely different picture when wilso wrote swinging voter Embarrassed
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 21 Dec, 2003 09:52 am
1960 John Kennedy
1964 Lyndon Johnson
1968 Hubert Humphrey
1972 May not have voted -- can't remember. But definitely did not vote for Nixon.
1976 Jimmy Carter
1980 Ronald Reagan (later realized what a huge mistake I had made!)
1984 Walter Mondale
1988 Michael Dukakis
1992 Bill Clinton
1996 Bill Clinton
2000 Al Gore
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 21 Dec, 2003 12:12 pm
BBB
I usually voted a straight party line:
1948 Democrat Truman
1952 Democrat Truman
1956 Democrat Stevenson
1960 Democrat Kennedy

I met Michael Harrington and became a member of the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee:
http://dsausa.org/about/index.html

I often split my votes between Democrats at the presidential level and third party candidates at the state and local level:
1964 Democrat Johnson
1968 Democrat McCarthy
1972 Democrat McGovern
1976 Democrat Carter
1980 Citizens Party Barry Commoner
1984 Democrat Mondale
1988 Democrat Dukakis

I got pissed off with Democrats and voted Green---but voted late in the day when I was sure Clinton would carry California.
1992 Green Nader
1996 Green Nader
2000 Green Nader
2004 Anyone but Bush

History of Third Party presidential candidates
http://www.presidentsus
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 21 Dec, 2003 04:45 pm
Preface: Germany has proportionate representation, and our chancelor is elected by parliament, not directly. This makes our small parties -- Greens and 'Free Democratic Party', which Americans would call libertarian -- much less wacko and ideological than their American counterparts. Ideology doesn't survive contact with reality in a coalition government.

1987 - FDP
1990, 1994, and 1998: Green
2002: FDP

In local elections, I have voted for every democratic (small d) party Germany has, depening on whether the candidates convinced me as personalities. I am a swing voter by conviction, and the word 'party affiliation' scares me. What good is democracy if people don't change their mind?
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 21 Dec, 2003 05:52 pm
No surprise there, Thomas ;-)
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