Did I get raped?

@Dosed,

Yes, you were raped. It doesn't matter if you were drunk, or on drugs. If you said no, even if you asked if he had a condom on, you didn't want sex, and he disregarded your wishes. It is unfortunate that you were drunk, but it might have happened like this:
You are on a date with a guy you don't know well, and while you are in the bathroom, he puts a crushed up narcotic in your drink. You end up passing out in his car and he has sex with you while incapacitated. If you cannot consciously and in full control of your cognitive function give consent to sex, it is rape.
I also question the motives and judgement of your "friend" who should have been looking out for you as well. I would never allow a man to have sex with a friend of mine in the backseat of my car while driving around. That is basically enabling and abetting the rape. I would tell this friend to get lost too.
You should seek counseling for this incident, and possibly attend an AA meeting or two.

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@kimm1,

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he puts a crushed up narcotic in your drink

And you got this fact from where????????????

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If you said no, even if you asked if he had a condom on, you didn't want sex, and he disregarded your wishes.

Where in her posting did she said no???????????

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@hawkeye10,

this is a slippery slope fallacy. Do I even have to explain why?

You know what you're doing. Stop being retarded. When you're thinkin about stickin it in a drunk girl who's in and out of consciousness, you should probably get a clear Y-E-S. If you're about to have sex with your girlfriend and her body language is saying yes, she's breathing hard and pushing your face into her neck, go for it. There's a difference. You know this as well as I do. Stop being ridiculous. When I first had sex with my current boyfriend, even he got a clear yes from me, even though I was clearly wanting it. All you gotta do is say "are you sure?" or something to that effect. what the **** is the big deal?

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@firefly,

Thank you firefly, I appreciate your post.

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@Dosed,

Dosed, don't even engage into a conversation with hawkeye10 - he promotes
rape and domestic violence within the privacy of his own home, and probably
outside of it as well. He's got a sick, sick mind, and he should not be allowed
to get a platform here to further develop his sick mind. He's a jerk!!

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@BillRM,

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In a way it is good that we have gate keepers in the justice system and of course juries to stop most of these bad sexual laws from having full force on innocent young men who only "crime" is getting involved with emotionally unstable young women such as the author of this thread.

Which is being constantly addressed by the feminists, by way of manditory arrest laws, the DA's being pressured into adopting no drop policies, pressuring the courts to give juries highly prejudicial instructions, laws which outlaw what are argued to be morally objectionable strategies of defense, rules of evidence which make it purposefully difficult for the defense to examine the validity of the allegation.....we see in sex charges more than any other area the other two branches of government dictating to the courts how they must operate, which also in this case is a demand that the courts abdicate their calling to pursue truth and fairness. The courts were not fair to women before, but now they are not fair to men, and it is because the executives and legislatures have violated the seperation of powers provisions of Constitutions, so todays inequality is far worse than what we had because the democratic system has been overtured in order to get the desired result.

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@Dosed,

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You know what you're doing. Stop being retarded. When you're thinkin about stickin it in a drunk girl who's in and out of consciousness, you should probably get a clear Y-E-S. If you're about to have sex with your girlfriend and her body language is saying yes, she's breathing hard and pushing your face into her neck, go for it. There's a difference. You know this as well as I do. Stop being ridiculous. When I first had sex with my current boyfriend, even he got a clear yes from me, even though I was clearly wanting it. All you gotta do is say "are you sure?" or something to that effect. what the **** is the big deal?

You are going far to come off your earlier assertion that this guy was drunk too, and what I thought was your belief that drink caused him to make poor choices just as drink caused you to make poor choices, which needed to be taken into consideration. Now you seem to be saying that it does not matter what the man drinks, he has to know that he is going over the line. It seems that I need to take back some of my previous compliment for your willingess to be fair and reasonable.

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@CalamityJane,

My mind is developed, what I am attempting to do is to gather a majority to my view so that we can change these bad laws. We have seen before on A2K sometimes a very weak allegiance to democracy, to the point that unpopular views were shouted down. I remember clearly that you were one of the more vocal members of that mob, and it is sad to see that while the moral crusading mob has greatly been depopulated over the last two years here that you have not in your heart reformed your wicked ways.

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@Dosed,

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All you gotta do is say "are you sure?" or something to that effect. what the **** is the big deal?

The big big deal is all you needed to had done was to have stated no not even hell no just no and no one here would question that the sex following the no was in fact a rape.

Labeling a man a rapist and sending him to prison should not be lightly done and placing the burden to express your wishes to him does not seem all that great a burden on you.

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When I first had sex with my current boyfriend, even he got a clear yes from me,

Footnote does your sexual partner get a clear verbal yes from you every time you have sex now by the way?

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@BillRM,

You don't even write grammatically correct sentences.

Your arguments are unintelligent.

You belittle the feminist argument but what you fail to realize is that it's a humanist argument. It's about basic human rights. Not "I'm a woman and if a man touches me it's rape."

You're kind of an idiot.

Welcome to my block list. **** off.

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@BillRM,

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Footnote does your sexual partner get a clear verbal yes from you every time you have sex now by the way?

Interesting side note: only a few years ago deeply detailed signed contracts were popular in BDSM as an attempt to stay clear of the law. Then the feminists decided that they should hold no weight under the theory that one can not legally contract to an illegal act. These contracts, now being useless to keep us safe, are now largely abandoned. The move was started because the feminist went on and on about the importance of negotiation and about how they did not want to take a womans right to make her own choices away from her.....a signed detailed negotiating result seemed to be exactly what the feminists were calling for.

Not. It does not matter what methods are used, the feminists are not objecting to lack of consent as they claim they are, they are objecting to what people choose to do on nothing more than morals grounds. Now that we know this, the only safe route to to steer clear of rape feminist sympathizers, which thankfully is not much of a problem, given that women think even less of these radicals then men do in my experience. .

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@Dosed,

Dosed,
Don't waste your time on these two. They have no interest in your thread other than shitting on it.

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@LionTamerX,

LionTamerX wrote:

Dosed,
Don't waste your time on these two. They have no interest in your thread other than shitting on it.

If we were taking pot shots that might be an arguable point, but given that we have a detail reasoned objection it is not. You don t like the point of view, and you dont feel the need to extend basic human dignity to people who hold opinions that you dont agree with. The morally righteous high road is not available to you, for you are far more slimy than I am.

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@hawkeye10,

You are ridiculous. Are you a troll? Seriously?

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@Dosed,

Dosed wrote:

You are ridiculous. Are you a troll? Seriously?

And yet again we find reason and supporting argument missing from you...Objections have been raised which are to this time unaddressed.

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@hawkeye10,

There is a whole web of laws now existing beside the sexual assault laws that is taking the freedom of both men and women away from them thank to the fireflies of the world.

As it stand now courts can and do issues de facto divorces against the wishes of both parties in the form of long term no contact orders.

In the news it would seem that Ni Cage had gotten drunk in public and was arrested but not just for being drunk in public but for domestic violence because he had his hands on his wife arm as he pull her toward a house he was under the drunken impression they was renting.

No sign of any harm to her of any kind and she did not consider herself a victim of anything worst then having a drunken husband embarrassing her.

He had bailed out and the news did not cover this aspect but I would bet there is a no contact order on him and this once more against his wife wishes.

Now they are going to need to go to court and beg a judge for the right to be a married couple for the next 6 months as this wind it way through the courts with no guarantee in the matter.

To sum up you can not just take freedom from just males or just females.

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@hawkeye10,

'the ****?

I've given plenty of reasons supporting my argument.

You and these others are the ones who continuously bring up points that have already been shown to be fallacious. Seriously, you've been barking the same points over and over and over and over again. This here is the reason why I think you might be a troll.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you should know that it disgusts me and many other humanists.

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@BillRM,

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There is a whole web of laws now existing beside the sexual assault laws that is taking the freedom of both men and women away from them thank to the fireflies of the world.

You might have noticed that I have argued in other threads that this is not limited to sex law, that what we are seeing is a sustained systematic removal of rights of the individual, with this power being handed over to the government, which history teaches will result in a 100% chance that the individual, newly enslaved, will be abused.

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@Dosed,

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fail to realize is that it's a humanist argument. It's about basic human rights

Sorry friend but you wish the power at least in theory to place a man in prison for decades without the burden of even having to say the word no or stop or no further to him after you begin making out with him.

That is not my idea of a human right basic or otherwise.

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@Dosed,

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You and these others are the ones who continuously bring up points that have already been shown to be fallacious

False, they have been objected to on morals grounds, but the basic claim that these laws are not fair and are not based upon either facts or reason has not been refuted except by undocumented assertions.

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