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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 03:19 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Which is precisely why the Republican strategists were worrying about their McGovern moment yesterday. They're afraid they're going to gift Obama a reelection by bringing forth a loon.

Also, they are still trying to pressure Ryan and/or Christie to enter the race. Both are still firm "no"s, however.
So what? Am I supposed to be losing sleep over the fact that the establishment does not like any of the canditates on the R side? They have had the usual amount of time to get this organized and the usual amount of amount of money to corrupt with....their problem is that the American people are not buying what they are trying to sell, and that many have gotten wise to the fact that the establishment continually both lies to us and sells out our best interests. Money and power are no longer enough to procure votes for their stooges.


Boo Hoo.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 04:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
I have no idea what this discussion has to do with your ability to sleep.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 04:17 pm
This thread began at the very beginning of 2011. In retrospect, that was probably too early. Potential candidates dipped their toes in the water with most of the rhetoric consisting, not unexpectedly, of Obama bashing. And the topic here (22,000 views/1600 posts) drifted into a lot of Dem vs Repub jousting, which is not what I intended. As a somewhat veteran topic creator, I know that there is - and shouldn't be - any way to control that.
But now it is August. And it is now time for the Repubs to focus on differentiating themselves from each other ahead of the primaries/caucuses coming up in the next 6 months or so.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 04:22 pm
@realjohnboy,
Perhaps you should give them a call and enlighten them.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 04:33 pm
Ryan is under increasing pressure to run. Bill Bennett is pushing him
Quote:
Bill Bennett, from somewhere in the West, e-mailed me: “There are many talented candidates in the race already, but there is always room for a man of Paul Ryan’s intellectual depth, temperament, talent, and conviction.” Washington Post


And Ryan has gone from a strong "no" to "We'll see."
Quote:
In an interview Friday with Charlie Sykes, a Milwaukee talk show host, Ryan remained ambiguous about his intentions to run, marking a shift from his outright denials in the past.

“Looking at the Republican field right now, are you confident that the candidates there are able to articulate the issues of the debt and the deficit and the need to reform entitlements in the way that you want to see done?” Sykes asked.

Ryan sensed what was coming, demanding lightheartedly, "Why did you ask me that?”

“You know exactly why I asked you that question,” Sykes responded.

“I know. We’ll see," Paul said. Slate


and republican arm-twisters are saying that, "He's coming around"
Quote:
“He’s coming around,” says a Republican source close to Ryan, who has been urging the 41-year-old to run.

“With Paul, it’s more about obligation than opportunity,” says another Wisconsin Republican. “He is determined to have the 2012 election be about the big things. If that means he has to run, he’s open to it.”Weekly Standard
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 04:33 pm
@georgeob1,
No need for me to do that, George. Don't you think that has already happened since Saturday. Not only amongst the candidates but also amongst Repubs on A2K?
I hope you don't mind me (a Dem) following this thread as yall sort through this. Is it okay for me to watch - and perhaps even comment?
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 04:52 pm
@realjohnboy,
You can do anything you like here or anywhere. My comment reflected my perception of a bit of presunptuousness on your part.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 05:01 pm
@JPB,
Ryan is a Congresscritter, and he does not have the fire in his belly, so that is two strikes against him. He would be a very long shot.

Christie looks like he will have a heart attack any minute, and he was just in the hospital with a scare,so there is no way he can win.

The candidate either needs to come from the states or the military, with an outside shot for a businessman. I think someone should give SEC Gates a call ...


For those who have not noticed...Congress has an approval rating of 13% today. As Chris Mathews said today Idi Amin probably had a higher approval rating than does Congress.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 05:16 pm
@JPB,
I don't think that Ryan has a shot in hell of winning. No executive experience, and he's the author of an extremely unpopular budget that destroys medicare in order to cut taxes for the rich. And he's a real dead fish, personality-wise.

I hope he does jump in, though - the circular firing squad could always use another victim.

Cycloptichorn
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 06:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
I don't think that Ryan has a shot in hell of winning
Agreed, and if Rove is actually pushing for Ryan you have to assume that the Brain has dementia...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 06:49 pm
@hawkeye10,
This partly explains Rove going after Perry

Quote:
The relationship between top Republican strategist Karl Rove and Texas Gov. Rick Perry has been a frosty one dating back to the 1990s. And if Perry enters the presidential race, as now appears likely, the animosity between the two could have a major impact on how Republican money is doled out for next year’s election campaigns, Politico reports.

Rove is leading a Republican effort to raise millions of dollars to defeat President Barack Obama and other Democrats. He was instrumental in building outside fundraising groups such as American Crossroads and Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies (Crossroads GPS).

But wealthy Texans, including some big-time Perry donors, have played a major role in bankrolling Rove’s cause. So what happens if Perry jumps into the presidential fray?

One donor to both American Crossroads and the Texas governor told Politico that if Perry wins the presidential nomination, his donors will stop giving to Rove. “Perry winning would be a deathblow for Rove,” the person said.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Perry-Rove-Crossroads-donors/2011/08/05/id/406254

And Howard Dean was on some cable channel about 30 minutes ago saying something to the effect that Rove has a long standing axe to grid with Perry, which might be the reason for his recent comments...
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 08:47 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

hehehehehe

Quote:
Tweet from MPOTheHill
Bachmann: "Under President Bachmann you will see the price of gasoline come down under $2/gallon again. That. Will. Happen." 17 minutes ago · reply · retweet · favorite


I would guess gas will be under $2 a gallon when the economy goes into a deep depression because the government has defaulted thanks to President Bachmann's policies.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 10:01 pm
@parados,
I don't make forecasts of future petroleum prices, but the best way to ensure OPEC maintains control of the price is to cut back on domestic exploration and production. Our current idiot Administration has certainly done a good job at that.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 11:44 pm
@georgeob1,
But demand will only increase, and if oil production is controlled by private interests in a free trade capitalist system and the yuan is worth $5US, guess who'll they'll sell that local oil to?
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 06:21 am
@georgeob1,
Your statement has nothing to do with Bachmann's claim. Oh.. you just wanted a chance to slam Obama without any facts.

Simple inflation and global growth means the price of gasoline won't be below $2 without something that affects either of those things and effects them drastically.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 09:27 am
Quote:
Bedford, New Hampshire (CNN) – Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry chided President Obama Wednesday, saying "actions speak louder than words" during a speech notable for its sustained criticism of the president's economic policies.
Perry was responding to Obama's comment Tuesday that the Texas governor has "got to be careful" now that he's on a big stage.

"I think that everybody who runs for president probably takes a little bit of time before they start realizing that this isn't like running for governor, or running for senator, or running for Congress," Obama told CNN's Wolf Blitzer in Iowa. "You've got to be more careful with what you say."
Speaking at a salon of New Hampshire politicos at the Politics and Eggs breakfast in Bedford, Perry acknowledged the president's snub.
"I just want to respond back if I may," he said. "Mr. President, actions speak louder than words. My actions as governor are helping create jobs in this country. The president's actions are killing jobs in this country."
Perry also brushed aside critics who charge his oft-touted record of job creation in Texas is largely due to luck.
"There have been some over on the left that said the fact is that those 40 percent of the jobs created in America ... since June of 2009 was just luck," Perry said. "Mr. President, America's crisis is not bad luck, it's bad policies from Washington, D.C."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/17/perry-hits-back-at-obama-over-jobs/?hpt=hp_t2

Very interesting tactic to say what many Americans are saying but what the political class mostly will not say.

Meanwhile, it is in the news today that Obama is going to have a national speech on jobs...he is going to be on the airwaves trying to use the bully pulpit ....AGAIN. But then he does think that he talks good, he always thinks that he can talk his way out of a problem.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 09:33 am
There has been sustained job growth in Texas for 20 years and more. Long before Pistol Pete Perry showed up.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 09:41 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

There has been sustained job growth in Texas for 20 years and more. Long before Pistol Pete Perry showed up.
And they have a 25% child poverty rate, a 17% poverty rate, and the highest percentage of the population with out health insurance in the nation.

For comparison the US Child poverty rate is 21% and the overall 14%, which as badly as this sucks Texas is worse...But I am not sure that many voters care about poverty and wealth inequity right at the moment..
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 09:42 am
Much of the economic growth in Texes is due to immigration.

In El Paso, the a-hole of Texas, the effects of the national recession have been mitigated due to the heavy influx of immigration from Mexico which, in part has been due to the drug violence in Ciudad Juarez, it's sister city, and other parts of the state of Chihuahua.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 17 Aug, 2011 09:44 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

I don't make forecasts of future petroleum prices, but the best way to ensure OPEC maintains control of the price is to cut back on domestic exploration and production. Our current idiot Administration has certainly done a good job at that.


Oh yeah, those extra million or so barrels a day, on top of the 85 million barrels a day the world already produces, are really going to break OPEC's back lickety split.

Cycloptichorn
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