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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 01:36 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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Also, a big problem for Perry is the fact that his office isn't claiming he mis-spoke, or was incorrect in any way
What was he incorrect about?? He gave an opinion that some people dont want to hear, the major criticism is that he seems to be promoting violence to a person, but I dont know of anything he said that a lot of Americans dont agree with. I gotta think it works for him politically to say things that the American people are thinking even when the minders get their panties in a twist about it.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 01:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
The consensus is growing that Perry has a cowboy problem. Lots of big GOP money is still sitting on the sidelines waiting to back a candidate that might actually be electable. They're still waiting.
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 01:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
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The harshest criticism of Perry's remarks seemed to be coming from former officials of the George W. Bush administration. Bernanke was nominated as Fed chairman by former President Bush, a self-identified conservative whose political team has had friction with Perry. Bernanke was renominated by President Obama.

"You don't accuse the chairman of the Federal Reserve of being a traitor to his country and being guilty of treason and suggesting that we treat him 'pretty ugly' in Texas — that's not, again, a presidential statement," Rove, one of Bush's closest advisers, said on Fox. "It's not smart politics, either. Governor Perry is going to have to fight the impression that he's a cowboy from Texas. This simply added to it."

Former Bush spokesman Tony Fratto took to Twitter to call Perry's comments "inappropriate and unpresidential." More
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 01:40 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Also, a big problem for Perry is the fact that his office isn't claiming he mis-spoke, or was incorrect in any way
What was he incorrect about?? He gave an opinion that some people dont want to hear, the major criticism is that he seems to be promoting violence to a person, but I dont know of anything he said that a lot of Americans dont agree with.


A lot of Americans are idiots, then. To say that the Fed manipulating the money supply is 'tantamount to treason' is profoundly ignorant, in terms of both economics and history. The fact that he wrapped it up in some violent rhetoric is just icing on the cake of stupidity.

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I gotta think it works for him politically to say things that the American people are thinking even when the minders get their panties in a twist about it.


Only with the extreme-right wing base. The money-man right wingers are already penning pieces criticizing him for it.

Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 01:41 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:
Yes I do. But then their comments have little to do with the interactions among the candidates or their various prospects for winning -- the presumprive subject of the thread topic.

No need to presume anything. The subject of this thread is "The Republican Nomination for President: The Race for the Race for the White House".

If there was a NASCAR race where every car had a flat tire, it would be germane of reporters to notice it, and to comment on the sad state of NASCAR racing. Likewise, it's germane to look at the Republican candidates and observe that all of them are obsessed with problems the nation doesn't have, and that all are proposing solutions that would worsen the problem they seek to address. That's what I see the Democratic commentators doing here. They're correct.


He's just pissy these days, and likes to use every opportunity possible to launch into a screed about how much Democrats and Unions suck.

Cycloptichorn
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 01:44 pm
Perry's "adios mofo" video is going viral too.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/rick-perry-says-adios-mofo-in-2005-14317667?tab=9482931&section=2808950&playlist=2808979
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:08 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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Only with the extreme-right wing base. The money-man right wingers are already penning pieces criticizing him for it.
The complaining about power and violence rhetoric in political speech as been running over from the queasy class ever since the shooting in Tucson, but I dont expect it to go any where in this climate where the majority have had our fill of being told what we can do and what we can say.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:10 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

The consensus is growing that Perry has a cowboy problem. Lots of big GOP money is still sitting on the sidelines waiting to back a candidate that might actually be electable. They're still waiting.
Documentation for this assertion is where?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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Only with the extreme-right wing base. The money-man right wingers are already penning pieces criticizing him for it.
The complaining about power and violence rhetoric in political speech as been running over from the queasy class ever since the shooting in Tucson, but I dont expect it to go any where in this climate where the majority have had our fill of being told what we can do and what we can say.


The 'majority?' Is that what you think you represent? You're out of your ******* mind, Hawk, if that's the case.

Cycloptichorn
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
Check out Karl Rove's comments, Hawk, for a start.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:17 pm
@JPB,
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"You don't accuse the chairman of the Federal Reserve of being a traitor to his country and being guilty of treason and suggesting that we treat him 'pretty ugly' in Texas — that's not, again, a presidential statement," Rove, one of Bush's closest advisers, said on Fox. "It's not smart politics, either. Governor Perry is going to have to fight the impression that he's a cowboy from Texas. This simply added to it.


This makes the very iffy assumption that America is not yet ready for another gunslinger...Given the high marks that McCain got for doing this for years, and how well a host of candidates for Washington have done recently doing this, I see no reason to think that a guy running for President in 2012 will need to fit the mold that has been used by the election consultants over the last decades. If fact if I were running I might be non conformist on purpose to set the tone that I am not a Washington insider, dont want to be, and that unlike is the case with Obama if you send me to do this job I will not capitulate to the Washington Establishment.
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
Here's three. You can google "Perry's cowboy problem" and find more.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61496.html

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/08/16/has-rick-perry-got-a-cowboy-problem/

http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/aug/16/has-perrys-cowboy-shtick-already-gone-too-far/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:29 pm
@JPB,
And what are their choices? Is anyone else going to come into the race this late? I doubt it. They can back the known loser Romney or they can pick someone who is in the race, and Perry is far and away the best of the bunch so far as the interests of the corporate class goes. Just about no one likes the choices that our broken political process offers us anymore, why should the corporate class be any different? They will hold their noses, open their checkbooks, and make the best of a bad situation.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
Why would anyone want to reBush the US?
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
Which is precisely why the Republican strategists were worrying about their McGovern moment yesterday. They're afraid they're going to gift Obama a reelection by bringing forth a loon.

Also, they are still trying to pressure Ryan and/or Christie to enter the race. Both are still firm "no"s, however.
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:36 pm
@JPB,
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"Perry's cowboy problem"


Has he been slipping his boots under the corral rails?
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:38 pm
GOP front-runner Perry's four economic vulnerabilities

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1. He's a big beneficiary of big-government
2. The "Texas Miracle" is unraveling
3. What's good for Texas is bad for America's drivers
4. He sounds clueless about monetary policy Details and explanations
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:39 pm
@JTT,
hellifiknow!
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 02:45 pm
@JPB,
All they have to do is cloister him like they did with Bush. Consider how well they hid Palin, with really, minimal backlash.

Can there be anyone who isn't yet aware, after 8 years of bushdom, that exceedingly competent liars can win a presidency.
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 16 Aug, 2011 03:14 pm
hehehehehe

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