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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
talk72000
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 08:10 pm
@JPB,
Iowa is half Republican and half Democratic. Mamie Eisenhower was from Iowa so was Herbert Hoover.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 12:39 pm

http://thepubliceditor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Democrats_Foodstamps_Logo.jpg

Easily defeated in 2012
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 06:39 am
I.diots
O.ut
W.andering
A.round
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 03:48 pm
@realjohnboy,
You don't know much about me (for which you can hardly be faulted), but if you did you would know that I didn't call you a pompous little git out of anger. I can't recall what you posted, but I do recall I considered it incredibly presumptuous, and out of character for you. My use of the phrase was intended as good natured chiding. I certainly can't blame you for taking it far more seriously then intended (I strongly resist the use of emoticons to bluntly indicate tone ), but I assure you that I was far more amused than ticked off.

I respect and appreciate your postings (in fact if memory serves, I said so in the post in question.), and I consider you one of if not the most rational liberals in this forum.

I'm happy to be featured in you Sig line, but if you are quoting me because you think it was an example of the venom I sometimes inject, I'm afraid you're mistaken.

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 04:01 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Oh no, Finn. You don't know much about me but if you did you would know that there is little I take personally. I can't recall what we were talking about but I found your retort intentionally amusing.
I'll try to find something else to use as a sig line. I do need to update.

Thanks for the middle paragraph.
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 04:24 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Me too. In fact, I consider rjb and maybe Hamburger among the most reliable posters on economics. Sadly, Hamburber/Hamburgboy don't post much anymore.

On straight up finance, I'm always interested in posts from JPB and rjb.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 05:33 pm
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BjW1avGcuos/S3kPoDIdQqI/AAAAAAAABps/j5nyOajBu1c/s1600/democrats%2Bdistance%2Bfrom%2Bobama.jpg
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revelette
 
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Reply Sat 2 Jul, 2011 07:46 am
Romney under fire
Quote:
Conservative leaders and commentators, such as FreedomWorks president Matt Kibbe, are among those who have directly targeted Mitt Romney

Joe Miller, a former US Senate candidate from Alaska, has been spending his days in his law offices in Fairbanks with an almost singular focus: making sure fellow Republican Mitt Romney does not win his party’s presidential nomination.

Miller, through a little-known group called the Western Representation PAC, is planning a $500,000 ad campaign with a chief goal of dirtying up the national front-runner - in terms that are far more personal and aggressive than Romney’s rivals for the nomination have used.

“Right now [our focus] is making sure that Romney, who’s very clearly a RINO, doesn’t walk away with the nomination,’’ said Miller, using the acronym for Republican In Name Only. “We’re trying to save the country. And with Romney at the helm, it’s not going to get saved. Romney is just going to be a disaster for this country.’’



Fox: Bachmann, Perry up, Romney down

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As perceived Republican presidential frontrunner, ex-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has started to take on President Obama. But a new Fox News poll shows that Republican voters aren’t taking to Romney.

Romney is still ahead, but scores an anemic 18 percent, down from 23 percent in a Fox poll taken in early June. Over the past few months, he has been up and down between 14 and 23 percent in Fox surveys.

Two candidates, one announced and the other pondering, are gaining support.


Tea Party champion Michele Bachmann, fresh from a strong performance in the first candidates’ debate, has soared from 4 percent to 11 percent. And Texas Gov. Rick Perry comes in second — at 13 percent — although he has yet to make a decision on entering the GOP sweepstakes.

Never very high, four other Republican contenders have seen their support go down.

Former half-term Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, she of a recent wild bus tour up the East Coast, had gone from double to single digits. The 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee was supported by 12 percent of Republican voters in early June: Now, Palin is at 8 percent.

Ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, whose top campaign staff resigned en mass last month, is down from 7 percent to 3 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, looking at the race, has seen his support decline from 13 percent to 10 percent.

The trotting out of ex-Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty’s candidacy has caused but a blip in the polls — downward. “TPaw” had 5 percent early in June: He scored 3 percent at the end of June.

The latest Fox poll was conducted June 26 to 28. It has a margin of error, among Republican voters, of 5.5 percent.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 04:29 pm
Quote:
Let the GOP have a civil war between the Wall Street backers that want a successful negotiation and the tea partiers who are willing to risk Armageddon for ideological purity. Those tensions are already starting to explode.


http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/07/frank_rich_and_adam_moss_talk.html

interesting interview piece overall

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off to follow some of the links

including

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/07/if_america_defaults_david_broo.html

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New York Times columnist David Brooks, a moderate Republican who has watched his breed gradually die off over the past few years, uses his latest column to decry the GOP's antitax fanaticism, which has brought the debt-reduction negotiations to a standstill as the deadline to raise the debt ceiling approaches closer and closer.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 5 Jul, 2011 04:34 pm
the entire Brooks op-ed from the NYT (in case someone's used up their monthly quota already)

Quote:
Op-Ed Columnist
The Mother of All No-Brainers
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: July 4, 2011

Republican leaders have also proved to be effective negotiators. They have been tough and inflexible and forced the Democrats to come to them. The Democrats have agreed to tie budget cuts to the debt ceiling bill. They have agreed not to raise tax rates. They have agreed to a roughly 3-to-1 rate of spending cuts to revenue increases, an astonishing concession.

Moreover, many important Democrats are open to a truly large budget deal. President Obama has a strong incentive to reach a deal so he can campaign in 2012 as a moderate. The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, has talked about supporting a debt reduction measure of $3 trillion or even $4 trillion if the Republicans meet him part way. There are Democrats in the White House and elsewhere who would be willing to accept Medicare cuts if the Republicans would be willing to increase revenues.

If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century: trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred billion dollars of revenue increases.

A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real crimp in economic growth.

The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are themselves distortionary.

This, as I say, is the mother of all no-brainers.

But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no.

The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it.

The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing to stain their nation’s honor.

The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor.

But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol.

Over the past week, Democrats have stopped making concessions. They are coming to the conclusion that if the Republicans are fanatics then they better be fanatics, too.

The struggles of the next few weeks are about what sort of party the G.O.P. is — a normal conservative party or an odd protest movement that has separated itself from normal governance, the normal rules of evidence and the ancient habits of our nation.

If the debt ceiling talks fail, independents voters will see that Democrats were willing to compromise but Republicans were not. If responsible Republicans don’t take control, independents will conclude that Republican fanaticism caused this default. They will conclude that Republicans are not fit to govern.

And they will be right.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: July 5, 2011

An earlier version of this column misstated the amount of revenue increases needed in exchange for spending cuts. It is a few hundred billion, not million.





Brooks has come around to my conservative/Republican split point of view of about three years ago. He's not as delighted about it as I have been Very Happy
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2011 06:07 am
@revelette,


This is how I see it right now.

Romney still has the best chance at being nominated especially if
he wins Florida. If this happens, look for a Romney/Bachmann ticket.
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2011 08:03 am
@H2O MAN,
The one thing I am not worried about is that a republican will win in 2012 for president, it won't happen. I am not saying Obama will blow them out of the water, probably won't win by much.

However, I am worried about the state of our congress and our country and I think most of Americans are too and I don't think the elections are going to change things one way or the other (unless the tea party gets control of the WH and both houses of congress plus win a bunch of state governors. In that nightmare scenario, things would definitely get much much worse.)

ehbeth, good article.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 6 Jul, 2011 09:21 am
@roger,
awwww,

Thanks, roger.










Your check is in the mail.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 12:51 pm
One thing that real American Conservatives must do in order
to win the White House is to hunt down and eliminate RiNos.
raprap
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 01:13 pm
@H2O MAN,
Too bad Reagan is dead, because today he would be a RINO and would be a likely name on the head of the list. Barry Goldwater would probably get a pretty high RINO rating too.

One question, when is the new right wing religious fanatics at the GOP going to purge Ron Paul? It seems that the new GOP really doesn't want anyone who is capable of critical thought, and Ron Paul isn't of that mindless Palin/Bachmann stripe.

As for me I'm wondering when the GOP formally changes it's name to the party of the PTL club.

Rap
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 01:14 pm
@raprap,


LOL!

Keep drinking that blue Kool-Aid punk.
raprap
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 01:19 pm
@H2O MAN,
Nice retort.

Keep thinking like that waterdude and you may achieve critical thought.

Then you too can become a RINO.

Rap





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roger
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 01:23 pm
@raprap,
raprap wrote:

Too bad Reagan is dead, because today he would be a RINO and would be a likely name on the head of the list. Barry Goldwater would probably get a pretty high RINO rating too.


Sure. It's much easier to take pot shots at Newt. He's almost a walking strawman.
raprap
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 01:32 pm
@H2O MAN,
BTW, waterdude, real American Conservatives aren't being represented by the 'new' GOP. The GOP is being held hostage by the moral righteousless and other self-serving opportunists.

Rap
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jul, 2011 01:54 pm
@raprap,
Fapdude, your self-righteous, self-serving opportunistic democrats are in charge right now and their track record for making anything better is terrible.
 

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