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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:45 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

ossobuco wrote:

Cain's looks, he looks good, not whom I was was talking about. Haven't heard him as I don't follow all the videos that show up. Voices matter somewhat, words more, sometimes, re who votes what.

I viscerally hate Michele Bachmann (sp) but that is bipartisan, I can't stand Hillary either, though somewhat less than Bachmann. Hillary seems a victim to me of biased information learned fast. Bachmann seems out to lunch.


Do you mean your hatred of Bachmann is "partisan" or that hatred of her is "bipartisan?"

I hope the former because the latter reflects an even more intense level of partisanship.


What?
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:49 pm
@djjd62,
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what's a gay union, the screen actors guild or actors equity?


That was a good one, Boss . . .
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:50 pm
@ossobuco,
I think you want to hear that I think she is a twit. I do, very much so, but a smart one.

I don't think Hillary is a twit, but her mind leaves me cold.

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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:55 pm
@ossobuco,
Y'all, look at the post I responded to, and make a judgement on what I was talking about.

Do you all need to learn that if you reply to a poster, there is a little bluegreen clue at the start, as to what you are responding to?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
"This or That?" would have been a good chance to ask Bachmann if they were real or fake. Wink
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:17 pm
This just in. Chief U.S. District Judge James Ware has ruled that his predecessor, Judge Vaughn Walker, did not err in his decision to write an opinion on California's Prop 8.
Voter approved Prop 8 banned same-sex marriage. Walker ruled that that was unconstitutional. Soon afterward, Walker retired and disclosed he was gay and intended to marry his long term partner.
Prop 8 supporters claimed Walker should have recused himself or at least disclosed the situation.
The argument was not about Walker being gay but that he stood to "benefit" personally by rejecting Prop 8.
The argument seems to be a stretch to me.
Have I gotten the details right?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:22 pm
@realjohnboy,
Yes; absolutely! Walker interpreted the US Constitution correctly; that's the basis of his decision; equal treatment under the law.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
C.I. - The issue is whether or not he "benefited personally." My feeling is that, at that level of judicial issues, there will always be instances where someone could claim that the judge could be accused of being affected by the outcome.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:42 pm
@ossobuco,
Since there were three mens names in the part I quoted, and more at the link, "he" was a bit too vague.

I'd like to be snippier, but I'm saving it up.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:44 pm
I could see Michelle Bachmann as Madame President. She's got the stuff.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:45 pm
@realjohnboy,
No, the issue is whether he is following the US Constitution. The pro-Prop 8 people are trying to use conflict of interest (because he personally benefits), but that's like saying he has no free speech, because he's gay. According to many law professors, that's a non-issue. In other words, are all heterosexuals unbiased? I don't think so.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:53 pm
@ehBeth,
You're right, he was too vague, but so it goes. We'll see about Huntsman.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 03:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Also, this is what the judge said to support Walker's decision.

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"The presumption that Judge Walker, by virtue of being in a same-sex relationship, had a desire to be married that rendered him incapable of making an impartial decision, is as warrantless as the presumption that a female judge is incapable of being impartial in a case in which women seek legal relief," Ware wrote in his decision.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jun, 2011 04:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Excellent, Tak. Judge Ware's comment was exactly where I was attempting to come from.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 08:18 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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In my opinion, all of the candidates did very well, and all had high points.


So what would be those high points?

Bachmann suggesting that getting rid of the environmental protection agency will get 14 million people back to work?

Perhaps Santorum's answer that repealing the health care law will put those workers back to work? Or better yet, the old trickle down theory will get the economy going again, after all, it worked so well the last time. Rolling Eyes

Pawlenty's saying lower taxes will get the economy going? (haven't we been doing that all this time since the Bush tax cuts?)

Romney saying the bail out the auto industry was waste of money and the recession was made worse and longer under Obama. Both are wrong.

Quote:
Mitt Romney wrongly claimed deficits “multiplied … by a factor of four or five” under President Barack Obama. He also incorrectly stated that auto companies have repaid only a "small" share of the government bailout money.

The deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office, and it grew to more than $1.4 trillion during his administration — an increase of far less than 400 percent to 500 percent. As for the auto bailout money, nearly 50 percent of the roughly $80 billion has been paid back. By any reasonable measure, half is not "a small share."


http://factcheck.org/2011/06/romney-wrong-on-deficits-auto-bailout/



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 10:08 am
@revelette,
Good responses, revelette; their rhetoric is just that; talk without any evidence that they work. Just the opposite has happened since GW Bush's tax cuts in 2001-2002.

US corporations now pay one of the lowest taxes based on GDP; they want those same corporations that are holding billions in cash to get richer. We don't see them hiring workers.

The sky is falling! They know not what they speak; they are just parrots without a brain.
Renaldo Dubois
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 10:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
I'd rather live with the "failed" policies of Bush than the failed policies of Obama. The American people are not better off today than they were in 2008. The housing market is worse than during the great depression and everything is costing more. People have less buying power today than they did under Bush. BO is finished.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 12:21 pm


Newt Gingrich Interview
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jun, 2011 01:25 pm
Huntsman to Esquire

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"If you can't define a winning exit strategy for the American people, where we somehow come out ahead, then we're wasting our money, and we're wasting our strategic resources," Huntsman told Esquire as part of a long profile in its August issue. "It's a tribal state, and it always will be. Whether we like it or not, whenever we withdraw from Afghanistan, whether it's now or years from now, we'll have an incendiary situation... Should we stay and play traffic cop? I don't think that serves our strategic interests."

Huntsman also said that he wouldn't have intervened in Libya - "We just can't afford it" - and would seek to make serious cuts in the military's budget. "If you can't find anything there to cut, you're not looking hard enough."


I'm ok with all of that.
 

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