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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:13 am
@izzythepush,
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Didn't you know that facts are Socialist?


I was always told that the facts are conservative. Reactionary even.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:16 am
@farmerman,
Why on earth would you want to ignore Oralloy, Farmer, when you two are like two peas in a pod when it comes to denying the criminal actions of the US government?

How can you make any claim to being an academic?
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revelette
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:16 am
@farmerman,
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Ill bet now ,on reflection, (and this goes for me), had Christie decided to jump in , wed see a clamor pf Dems looking to possibly throw their support to him.


Beats the crap out of me what Dems would find in common with Christie, but in any case, I found another article which explains how the filibuster proof majority only lasted seven months, not two years.

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In an appearance on Tuesday’s Morning Joe, New Jersey Gov. and Mitt Romney-endorser Chris Christie joined host Joe Scarborough in the shared delusion that President Obama, at the beginning of his term, enjoyed a filibuster-proof majority for two years, and “frittered” it away. There’s a fair debate to be had as to whether the President took full advantage of that majority, but it is a fact that even the most generous calculation reveals that the Democrats’ obstruction-free window lasted 7 months, not two years.

This wasn’t the only big, fat steamer in the segment (Christie tried to sell the House GOP’s renege on the payroll tax deal as an example of Republicans not obstructing the President), but it was the biggest and steamiest. While this sort of thing is to be expected from a politician trying to get elected, I had come to expect better than this from Joe Scarborough, whose appeal as a commentator rests largely on his knowledge of the inner workings of congress.

It takes 60 votes to overcome a filibuster in the US Senate, which is now the default to get pretty much anything done. As Scarborough well knows, the Democrats didn’t reach that 60-seat threshold in the Senate until Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) was sworn in on July 7, 2009. They lost that majority upon the swearing-in of Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) on Feb. 4, 2010, just under seven months later.

While state politician Christie can possibly be forgiven such an error, someone with Joe Scarborough’s reach and influence ought to have better than a 71% margin of error.

As Mother Jones‘ Kevin Drum points out, though, the actual amount of time the Democrats held a filibuster-proof majority, when you factor in the late Sen. Ted Kennedy‘s illness and the winter recess, amounts to 14 weeks.

What non-Democrats often fail to realize is that a Democratic majority isn’t like other majorities. While Republicans can be relied on to lock arms and stay put no matter what kind of political pepper spray they get hit with, there are always about 10% of Democrats willing, nay, eager to undercut their own party. To the extent that Barack Obama ever had a filibuster-proof majority, he still had to water everything down just to get past his own party. They are the reason the President ended up with a too-small stimulus package that was 40% tax cuts, just like Mitt Romney wanted.

Even given those limitations, though, the President did manage to get a few minor things done, like saving the auto industry, reversing 750,000-per-month job losses, passing health care reform (I can’t wait for Republicans to try and explain to Americans how they’ll be better off when insurance companies can go back to throwing them off their health benefits again), rescuing the economy from a new Great Depression, and killing so many terrorists that even Republicans began to complain, just to name a few. There are people on all sides of the political spectrum who would argue he could have done more (or in the Republicans’ case, should have done less), but it’s just not accurate to say he “frittered away” that tiny window.

Gov. Christie has the excuse that he’s shilling for Mitt Romney, but Joe Scarborough knows better. Morning Joe has earned influence beyond Scarborough’s conservative ideology because even those who disagree with him have come to expect him to tell the truth. If he wants to retain that influence, Scarborough needs to live up to that expectation.


links at the source

But if I understand your complaint, you would have rather Obama put off the health care bill and concentrated more on the economy (though he did both) during the months of the super majority however long it lasted.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:23 am
@revelette,
as I said, my votes for sale and I havent signed any contracts to date. Ill listen to anything that makes sense. So youre saying that Obama didnt fritter away any opportunities to fix the economy?

So then, are these signs of revival discreetly timed to coincide with the 2012 election campaign? Thats even more cynical.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:26 am
@farmerman,
Of course it is. You don't think politicians are daft enough to get the carrots out until the run-in do you? A lot of the stick in the first three years is where the carrots are grown.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:32 am
@spendius,
The essential difference between Mr Obama and any Rep. nominee is that the former has no further need of carrots or sticks once he's re-elected but the latter is running for re-election as soon as he is elected.

A second term can afford to be more objective that a first term. Enough people know that to give the incumbent an advantage.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:33 am
@farmerman,
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as I said, my votes for sale


That's borsch, Farmer, when you consider that your soul went long ago.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:34 am
@revelette,
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Beats the crap out of me what Dems would find in common with Christie,
The neat thing about being a Democrat is We usually dont define "what" a Democrat must believe in like the GOPers do.
I dont see any titles like "DINO" for someone like me.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:36 am
@farmerman,
We do now.
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ButchBitchPriscilla
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:39 am
Rick Santorum has won the non-binding Missouri primary by a huge margin. (For no good reason, they have a non-binding primary, then a caucus a few months later.) As Grampa Abe Simpson once said, "I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah!" Santorum also won Minnesota. Congratulations, Republicans from Missouri and Minnesota. You've impressed us with your stupidity. Santorum? Really? Please nominate him. It would be awesome.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 10:45 am
@farmerman,
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I dont see any titles like "DINO" for someone like me.


I think AINO is apt.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 11:08 am
@JTT,
farmerman may be an AINO, but you're an ASSHOLE.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 11:15 am
@cicerone imposter,
Farmer isn't the only one who is an AINO, CI. There are a whole bunch of them hypocrites running about.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 11:56 am
@farmerman,
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I dont see any titles like "DINO" for someone like me.

Wasn't he partners with Jerry Lewis?

Back when the parties could actually compromise.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 12:02 pm
@H2O MAN,
Goodbye spurt. You are too much of a disruption.

Anyone with the slightest inkling would know that the democratic party has compromised. Obamacare is almost exactly what the GOP was pushing for in the 90's.

When the democrats move toward the GOP, they just move away these days and then accuse the dems of not compromising. Taxes are another issue. The GOP demanded only cuts in spending, the dems wanted tax increases. A compromise would be BOTH. The GOP refuses to do both. The dems have proposed doing both.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 12:03 pm
Wow, it is Salty Beer day on the GOP blogs over the contraception thing.

Half of them are busy railing at the Socialist Fascist they see in the WH, the others at the 'MSM' who is inaccurately reporting the situation as a compromise, when they see not such thing happening at all.

Love it.

Cycloptichorn
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ButchBitchPriscilla
 
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Reply Sat 11 Feb, 2012 12:12 pm
@H2O MAN,
Who is this jackass?
 

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