The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

@revelette,

She has announced that she won't be in Obama's 2nd administration.

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@JPB,

Yeah, I just found it. Something about being tired. Probably is.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

Yeah, I just found it. Something about being tired. Probably is.

Her machine in New York has long said she will challenge Obama for the nomination if it looks like he might lose. Voice vote is allowed in Democratic conventions, as are nominations by the floor - and Obama knows this, that's why he referred to her in the State of the Union speech.

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@High Seas,

High Seas wrote:

revelette wrote:

Yeah, I just found it. Something about being tired. Probably is.

Her machine in New York has long said she will challenge Obama for the nomination if it looks like he might lose. Voice vote is allowed in Democratic conventions, as are nominations by the floor - and Obama knows this, that's why he referred to her in the State of the Union speech.

Hahaha, right. Fun to talk about, but it would be a disaster for her political machine, and they know it.

Cycloptichorn

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@High Seas,

I assume you have the memo to back up that assertion? Come on... he's not worried about Hillary. Even a Hillary-hater like me can take her at her word on this one.

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@Cycloptichorn,

You don't read the Wall Street Journal, but most politicians do; they also listen carefully to fmr Pres. Clinton's pollster (also pollster for Hillary's machine), Doug Schoen:

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.....Certainly, Mr. Obama could still win re-election in 2012. Even with his all-time low job approval ratings (and even worse ratings on handling the economy) the president could eke out a victory in November. But the kind of campaign required for the president's political survival would make it almost impossible for him to govern—not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203611404577041950781477944.html

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

I assume you have the memo to back up that assertion?

Never make an assertion without conclusive proof ready at hand - you're correct in your assumption, having known me too long to doubt that now Smile

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@High Seas,

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Btw, good to see you back

Good to see you also.

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That's exactly what the leaders of East Germany kept saying before their country went belly-up. The famous author Brecht - a Marxist himself - finally told them to either shut up or "get a new people". Is that your idea also?!

No...the notion "get a new people" is an absurd idea, no matter how famous author Brecht was.

My comment was one of irony…and perhaps spoke of a bit more sadness and pessimism than I normally want to show publicly.

Maybe that is where Brecht was coming from.

All of which shows lots of frustration with where we are and what we are like. (We, meaning, human beings!)

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@High Seas,

High Seas wrote:

You don't read the Wall Street Journal, but most politicians do, and listen to fmr Pres. Clinton's pollster (also pollster for Hillary's machine), Doug Schoen:

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.....Certainly, Mr. Obama could still win re-election in 2012. Even with his all-time low job approval ratings (and even worse ratings on handling the economy) the president could eke out a victory in November. But the kind of campaign required for the president's political survival would make it almost impossible for him to govern—not only during the campaign, but throughout a second term.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203611404577041950781477944.html

I do read the WSJ - every day. Oppo research and all.

Doug Schoen is a complete and total ******* idiot. He's the guy they put on Fox News so they can claim they brought a 'democrat' on. He's perhaps the worst 'analyst' out there - his track record on predictions is horrendously bad. He's been pushing this 'put Hillary in!' thing for an entire year now, with exactly zero positive response from anyone.

Cycloptichorn

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@High Seas,

Those 2 FOX News contributors have been peddling that story for over a year. NO ONE outside conservative circles puts any credence to it.

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@High Seas,

personally i take all that as sour grapes from sore loosers. Hillary Clinton would not win against Obama, even now. And his approval ratings is not that bad, not too good.

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46.1
Approve
48.3
Disapprove

RCP

Sorry, this is not the place for this.

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@parados,

Obama isn't exactly a conservative commentator. Bill Clinton for 8 years did nothing without consulting his pollsters and Hillary is no different - Schoen runs all kinds of focus groups FYI, and his firm has polling, PR etc contracts with just about every Democratic campaign out there.

Watch what Hillary does, not what she says.

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@High Seas,

Who would vote for her? She's right of Obama and conservatives hate her even more than they do him!

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I respectfully disagree and still think we'd have been better off with 8 years of Clinton/Obama and then 8 more of Obama and whoever. That would have given us 16 years of democratic rule by smart people. As it is, we're not even 100% sure of 4 years of Obama at this point, and Newt Gingrich will be the end of us all. If he gets elected I'll volunteer to be the first to move to his moonbase. And just to be fair, I actually think the moonbase idea is a good one, but so indescribably impractical at this point that it's borederline crazy to bring it up. we're a long way from being ready for Star Trek **** when we can't even care for our own planet.

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@JPB,

I dunno. It looks odd to me.

She'll piss all over any of these Reps.

To borrow a little from Oscar Wilde--"Everybody should have a woman chief. Once."

And Bill will be guiding her hands I imagine. For him to be known as the "First Gentleman" would be confusing I should have thought.

The Dems have a project going that is more important to them than who the top honcho is. They need majorities in Congress as well. Mr Obama failed to hold the line on those things. So he's a failure because the project got stalled thanks to those idiots in Iowa who got his bandwagon rolling and stymied the obvious choice.

The project needs a president and majorities in both houses. So anybody who wants some serious redistribution of wealth should get behind the project.

I think Mrs Clinton could deliver. I've never seen a gutsier broad. And a lady who forgave an errant husband too.

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I like obama, but Hillary is the ****.

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@spendius,

I bet Newt and Mitt are quaking in their boots at the thought of facing Mrs Clinton.

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This is why the GOP is panicking about Gingrich:

http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/426/NBCWSJ_1_26_2012b.png

Cycloptichorn

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@blueveinedthrobber,

It's all very well having the command structure paralyzed if that's what voters want, apart from a few stunts overseas, but what if other countries are running smoothly in that department?

Putin gave an interview in pretty good English earlier today.

If it is the economy stupid then it's USA plc, or inc, or Ltd, or Corp.

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@spendius,

How long is it between the conventions and the election?

If it's 3 months that's plenty of time to put this lot into the recesses of the memory. Once a campaign gets underway everybody forgets everything they ever said about anything.

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