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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 06:51 pm
Forget the 11th commandment of being a Republican (Thou shalt not attack a fellow Republican). This is turning really nasty tonight.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:03 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

I do not see him as honest, being he has some old Ron Paul news letters that were racist and he said that he knew nothing about them until after the fact. I find that hard to believe. He may be embarrassed now that he is older but if that is the case he should say that he sees things very different now.

I know that no one is perfect.


If Ron Paul really didn't know what was in those newsletters (published and distributed in his name) as he claims, then he is surely not competent to manage anything as important as the office of the presidency.

If he did know what was in them and let them go on anyway, he has views that should be vile to any decent person, and is not fit to serve in the capacity of president.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:14 pm
@snood,
Spot on! Either way, he's a loser.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:26 pm
@Setanta,
Yeah, I see that now. The bigger difference aside from president is the length of the election process as well. It seems to never stop, it's endless.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:32 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

If Ron Paul really didn't know what was in those newsletters (published and distributed in his name) as he claims, then he is surely not competent to manage anything as important as the office of the presidency.

If he did know what was in them and let them go on anyway, he has views that should be vile to any decent person, and is not fit to serve in the capacity of president.
President Obama claims to have been unaware of the racist rhetoric broadcast regularly by the esteemend reverend Wright for the several years during which he was a member of his church. He also claims to be unaware of the revolutionary socialist views of his political associate in Chicago, Bill Ayres.

What's the difference?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:35 pm
@georgeob1,
Obama never spoke racist remarks; that's the difference.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:38 pm
@georgeob1,
There's a difference between not knowing what an acquaintance/colleague says on all subjects and not knowing what's published under your own name.

IMNSHO, Mr. Paul seems like the least offensive of the current Republican choices, but I can see that those old Ron Paul publications are something he should address.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:41 pm
@georgeob1,
really, Ob...

the newsletters were put out under his name.

while we are drawing correlations, how is Newt not every bit the republican equivalent of Bill Clinton?

blasting him while doing the same immoral deeds.

how soon we forget...
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:43 pm
Pretty weak rationalizations all ....
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 07:44 pm
@georgeob1,
you don't see a smidgen of hypocrisy in Newt's behavior?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 08:31 pm
@georgeob1,
You really don't see that there's a difference between attributing only your own posts to you and attributing the posts of H20man and Omsigdavid to you?

I am definitely going to have some fun if you can't see that difference.
failures art
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 08:52 pm
I don't know if Ron Paul wrote the essays or not. I'm unimpressed with his response to questions on them though. As food for thought, an interesting article was written comparing Paul to Pythagoras. Essenetially, both had great passionate cults of personality, and in the case of Pythagoras, some of his followers wrote things and gave credit to him, so it's hard to know how much of Pythagoras's work was actually his.

Lex Paulson: Applied Classics: How Pythagoras Explains Ron Paul

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The greater hazard, though, for Pythagoras and Ron Paul alike, is the fusion of persona and policy which have accompanied mass movements then and now.

Even after his death, followers of Pythagoras were told to attribute any of their own ideas to the man himself. As a result, the real contributions of this school have become inseparable from gobbledygook legends about friends reincarnated as dogs and devices which scribble letters on the moon: “It’s as Pythagoras taught.”

Similarly, many Iowa voters were surprised to read about the solemn-faced advice in an early-1990’s edition of the Ron Paul Political Report to buy illegal weapons in advance of a racial uprising, “inspired by,” but probably completely without the knowledge of, the man whose name was on the newsletter.

In fact, the fatal weakness of a mass movement is almost always found in this grey area between the charismatic leader and the revolutionary idea. Leaders like Napoleon or Fidel Castro declare themselves to be the idea personified, and become tyrants; humbler protagonists in Tahrir Square or Zuccotti Park struggle without a clear leader to crystallize the cause.

Thus, the paradox for leaders who straddle politics and philosophy: too controlling, and ideas suffocate; too laissez-faire, and dubious things get done in your name. In modern politics, the winning calibration of volunteer empowerment and top-down coordination is a rare and fine achievement—witness the campaign that took Barack Hussein Obama to the White House—and the more challenging the ideas, the trickier the dance.


I think many things are worth criticism for Paul, but while his policies have always seems mostly crazy to me, I've respected his frank and sincere politics--something lacking across the field. Simply put, it doesn't really fit Ron Paul in my mind. I have a hard time thinking he'd care enough about a race topic, less so to try and capitalize on it.

I could be wrong.

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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 09:30 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

You really don't see that there's a difference between attributing only your own posts to you and attributing the posts of H20man and Omsigdavid to you?

I am definitely going to have some fun if you can't see that difference.


I have read you first sentence three times, but can't figure out its meaning.

Go ahead, have some fun.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2012 11:18 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:
Yeah, I see that now. The bigger difference aside from president is the length of the election process as well. It seems to never stop, it's endless.


That is a very perceptive observation. The election process in Westminster style governments is comparatively very rapid, and takes only a few weeks. However, a government can fall on a vote of no confidence, or a PM may decide to take advantage of a temporary surge in voter approval to call an election, so it needs to be quick.

In the United States, the election cycles are carved in stone. All Representatives and one third of Senators are up for election every two years, and, of course, President and Vice President every four years. So, everyone knows what the schedule will be, no surprises, no variations. Essentially, all Representatives begin to run for re-election immediately after they are sworn in. So, yes, the election campaigning is endless.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 02:00 am
@snood,
Those are my thoughts as well but from what I am seeing coming from all the others he seems as though he may be the best pick.
It is very troubling to say you do not know what is in your own news letters.

I would think some one at the time would have said to him that it was funny, true or disrespectful, what he had said in his news letters.
My guess is that people did comment on them to him so he did get feed back about them.
I do not know about you but if I had a news letter that was supposedly written by me I would be reading it so that I would know what I was telling my audience.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 02:40 am
@reasoning logic,
Especially for a politician. If he disavows what he wrote in his own newsletters to his flock, will he also disavow what the white house writes in his name?

Can't be done - in the real world of politics.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 03:07 am
@cicerone imposter,
Well, you would think so, anyway.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 03:12 am
@roger,
If trust is needed in our president to the extent that what he/she writes from the white house, it would be self-destruct for the person who doesn't own up to their blog. Congress would have at the president at every turn on trust.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 03:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
But how about when the President says something reassuring (just for example) and the Treasury Secretary feels the need to make a speech the next day to "clarify" what the President said?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2012 04:06 am
@roger,
Nothing wrong with that! It's okay for a government specialist to provide correct information to the citizens of this country when a president mis-represents something - unintentionally. That's done regularly under most presidents. I've seen the OMB take on that responsibility with several presidents.
 

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