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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 01:34 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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I'm surprised that he didn't endorse Santorum so I suspect the nod to Newt, given the timing, signals a backroom deal has been cut concerning a Pres Gingrich bringing Rick to DC with him (cabinet level not VP).


I was thinking the same thing.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 01:44 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Hi. I just got home and got caught up on the news. I am not sure Perry's "suspension of his campaign" was a backroom deal. Rather, I think that he did not want to do another debate and more importantly did not want to end the SC primary at 4% of the vote.
There is no doubt that the conservative Republican leadership wants to see a united effort to try to get to the convention with Romney having fewer that the necessary 1144 delegates.
The debate tonight is at 8 ET on CNN. The audience will likely not be allowed to be as boisterous as they were in the last one.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 01:51 pm
Santorum hasn't really been a factor in South Carolina -- or anywhere but Iowa, where he went all in, practically living there for a while -- so I'm not sure a backroom deal was necessary. More likely that Perry wanted to endorse the conservative Christian with the best chance of beating Romney in the primaries.

(Santorum is currently at 11.5% in the SC poll of polls, compared to Gingrich's 31.8%.)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 01:52 pm
@sozobe,
I heard on the radio this morning that Santorum actually won in Iowa, but not all the precincts were counted, so it's still not official.
sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 01:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Right, check last page...
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 02:10 pm
@sozobe,
It is going to be called a tie. Evidently there is no longer a reliable audit trail of some of the votes. It really doesn't matter beyond bragging rights. The Iowa caucus did not actually award any delegates to the convention. That comes later on.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 02:13 pm
@realjohnboy,
Santorum by 69.... (Eww)

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/santorum-didnt-win-iowa-by-34-votes-he-won-by-69.php?ref=fpa

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 02:20 pm
@DrewDad,
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Santorum by 69.... (Eww)

Double double entendre?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 02:26 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:
Double double entendre?

No, just a triple... we'd hate to leave Newt out of it.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 02:55 pm
The terrible, sad fact is, though, that whoever gets the GOP nod…MIGHT actually win the election. Obama is no shoo-in…by any means.

I will vote for Obama…and it will NOT be a lesser-of-two-evils vote. I think the guy has done the best he can considering the political climate created by the just-say-NO party. Obama certainly has done (or not done) things that disappoint me, but I am disappointed in what was done or not done…not in him. He has been pragmatic, reasonable, articulate, and as effective as possible considering where and when he was working.

Frankly, I think the chances of him losing to the GOP candidate are greater than the chances of him winning. Remember, the American electorate actually allowed George W. Bush to take the office TWICE!

The operative comment here is: (To paraphrase H. L. Mecken), “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American voter.”
failures art
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 03:00 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Frankly...

Frank said "frankly."

Everything you say is frankly!

Amused, but perhaps too much
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 03:14 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I think many people think as you do about Obama, but I remember a time when he campaigned in 2007-2008 how excited I was about his position on many issues. He's disappointed me more than I can count, and cannot trust what he will say to win another election. I'm an Independent, and will watch the next election closely - especially the people running against Obama.

None of the top republicans now running for CIC has my confidence or intended vote. It might also be the first time I'll leave the vote for President left blank.

I think many Independents thinks like me at this stage.

Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 03:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Good for you, Frank. Maybe it's time we all stopped talking (and thinking) of Obama as the lesser of two evils. It's gotten to be a mantra among certain independents (for a while, myself included). It's like people don't want to admit that they actually like Obama; they'll vote for him for some other reason. Let's stop the horseshit and start campaigning for the best man available right now -- Barrack Obama, the incumbent president of the United States.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 04:17 pm
@realjohnboy,
How innocent of you Johnny.

Newt needed at least one of them to drop out and support him. I'm sure he would have preferred it was Santorum, but that was never going to happen.

He was ready to deal, and did.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 04:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ci, I truly understand where you are coming from. Been there; done that. But at some point, as Lustig alludes, a vote count is going to be taken…and the guy with the most votes (and the support of SCOTUS) will be elected president.

Voting for the Republican candidate is one thing…voting for a third party or withholding one’s vote…MAY BE THE EXACT SAME THING!

We both are disappointed with some things Obama did…and some things he did not do. But truly, ci, I don’t think someone like FDR or LBJ would have gotten much more pleasing results for the liberal faction of the country. This president has been subjected to pressures from the supposed "loyal opposition" the likes of which few heads of state have ever had to endure.

Do what you have to do…but I consider you an intelligent individual, and I hope between today and the day the levers have to be pulled, you reconsider. Having the GOP nominee in the Oval Office will be a disaster, because even if that person were Nelson Rockefeller, he would be beholden to a significant segment of reactionary, anti-safety net, extremists…who will not give an inch ideologically. Allowing the GOP candidate to win…is to cede the high ground on judicial appointments…and judicial appointments will impact on us much more strongly and for a longer period of time than the Executive winner.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 04:31 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Thanks, Lustig. The battle has not truly begun. I'm enjoying this skirmish going on among the Republicans...but the possibilities of that situation scare the crap out of me.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 04:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
My future plans on voting goes something like this; I'll vote for democrats over republicans for congress. The No Party has to go sooner or later, and I'm hoping sooner.

I also want to depend on a president to do the hard stuff; don't try to negotiate with people who's already said they want you to fail as president. He kept that up for almost three whole years! Dumb and dumber. I wrote to Obama about this many times, and he still tried to negotiate with the No Party.

There are also other issues that made me angry about Obama that I wrote him about; adding 50,000 more troops in Afghanistan, and not reacting to imprisonment without charge against an American citizen. He's scary - in my books.

I'll also give him credit for the Stim Bill which minimized the damage from GW Bush's Great Recession. That one's a biggie in my books.

I was initially critical of his saving the auto industry, but learned later that he did saved over a million jobs. I can also be wrong.

Still learning.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 05:21 pm
@H2O MAN,
You liked that did you. You will like this even more.


Hannity's preacher?



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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 05:50 pm
Wow the majority of republicans are complaining about income inequality, I did not know this and Mitt Romney saying that this is one nation under God, Wow

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