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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 07:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Those durn kooky Evangelicals!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2012 10:12 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
what ever
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 06:51 am
I saw a report on a US News channel that said NG is being funded by a "friends of Israel" group.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 09:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
as it looks, Romney , unless he self destructs, will be the candidate. Im believing that the strategy that the GOP will use is to NOT DISTINGUISH ROMNEY FROM OBAMA, instead they will mine the underlying dissafection that Obama has earned over the last 4 years with a candidate that is clearly moderate but , as they say. "He understands business better"

I dont see how theyre going to make the case that mitt is able to become card-carrying a conservative candidate
revelette
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 11:55 am
@farmerman,
I am not so sure Romney using his business credentials will work for him in the general given that number one he had to admit that he really didn't create as many jobs as he claimed and number two with him in charge of Bain they were responsible for firing people and taking away their pensions while making a profit for themselves and investors.

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Hearing Andrea Mitchell opine about Romney's Venture Capitalism problem -- or "Vulture Capitalism" -- in quotes as she puts it, is a cringe-worthy apologetic if I ever heard one.

Andrea calls the Vulture charges against him, "false" -- but immediately adds until Mitt can explain the "free market economics" he was involved in, he's still got a problem. Besides she continues, "Bain Capital was not about creating jobs" -- it was about "increasing profits for its investors" ...

Exactly exclaims her guest, when Mitt Romney was at Bain Capital, he was not a Job Creator -- "he was a Wealth Creator" ...

I couldn't have said it better myself. Behold, Willard the audacious "creator" of Wealth -- because there's gold in those employee Pension funds ... just have to fire a few thousand prospective pensioners first. No wonder, Willard "likes firing people" ...

ndrea Mitchell ponders Mitt's "big mistake" -- that perhaps he never should have boasted about "creating jobs" -- that leaves him open to the charges he's now facing. He needs to figure out a way to explain what he was doing in a favorable free market light, she suggests.

The authoritative-sounding guest agrees:

Private Equity corporations are NOT about creating jobs -- they're about creating Wealth instead.

Once, I got over my shock amazement at these stark admissions, I started this post.

Perhaps Mitt, Mitchell, and all the others defenders of the 1% Wealth Creation Hoarding Class, need to study a little history. Because without us lowly workers, getting the job done, their Wealth evaporates into a cloud of dust ...


Abraham Lincoln

[A message to the U.S. Congress, 3 December 1861. Reprinted from Land and Freedom, September-0ctober 1937]

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Capital has its rights, which are as worthy of protection as any other rights."

Venture Capitalists, by design, Exploit Labor -- they DO NOT create Labor.

Venture Capitalists see Labor as "a business cost" to be "turned into Gold" ...

Lincoln: "Labor Is the Superior of Capital"


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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 11:59 am
@farmerman,
Interesting observation, F-man.
I read an article earlier today from Reuters. Down near the bottom was this quote from Newt which he supposedly said on Friday in Duncan, SC:
"If the only people who vote in elections are law abiding, hard working citizens who are deeply committed to America, the left wing of the Democratic party will cease to exist."
I happen to be mostly on the left wing of the Democratic party, so that caught my ear.
The article, in my mind, came close to touching the "Third Rail" of journalism in the U.S. - race. We don't like that subject coming up, just as we don't like the religious affiliation of a candidate being raised.
South Carolina has made a lot of progress since I knew it in the early 1970's - with companies like Michelin, BMW moving in. But it is still under scrutiny by the U.S. Dept of Justice in how it does its redistricting and, right before Christmas, the DOJ challenged state legislation regarding a proposed law requiring voter ID cards. Some 200,000 voters in SC don't have those ID's and many of them (it is claimed) are black.
The Republican candidates will need, I think, to choose their words carefully.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 12:08 pm
@farmerman,
If Romney knows "business better," he sure doesn't understand truth and ethics. His so-called job creation was a job destroyer, while Obama actually added jobs during his first three years - immediately after GW Bush's Great Recession. People are too dumb to realize that the words of Romney - as a Mormon - are lies and innuendos when he says Obama didn't create jobs.

If voters were honest, they'd see through all of Romney's lies.

Romney was once "free choice," but has changed to "no abortion under any circumstances." jeezuz!
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 12:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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If Romney knows "business better," he sure doesn't understand truth and ethics.


What ethics could there possibly be in a economic system that puts profits at the top of the list?

As for truth, there isn't a US politician that knows anything about it, CI. Hell, given how so many Americans here at A2K care so little for the truth, it's not at all surprising that huge doses of lies are what their politicians feed them.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 12:25 pm
@JTT,
That's where you are wrong; there are many good business folks who really care for their workers and their welfare. I have worked with some, and have read many stories about good CEO's and Presidents of companies. You are negative in every aspect of life; you must be a very sad person. Your negatives are depressing~!
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 01:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Lord, CI, even you are a liar. You stated that you were putting me on 'ignore'. If I can't even trust you, there's no hope.

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That's where you are wrong; there are many good business folks who really care for their workers and their welfare. I have worked with some, and have read many stories about good CEO's and Presidents of companies.


You really oughta know by now that you are in a gigantic propaganda swirl.

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Wages in America:
The Rich Get Richer and the Rest Get Less
by JACK RASMUS (Copyright 2004)

Do you feel like you're working harder, longer hours, and still can't keep up with rising taxes, gasoline prices, utility bills, ballooning medical expenses, or the accelerating cost of paying for your kids' education?

Well, you're not alone! You're in good company. The company of tens of millions of American workers today on the same economic treadmill, having to walk faster and faster just to stay in the same place, or, unable even to keep up with the pace due to unemployment, loss of benefits, or wage cuts by their employers.

How would you like to be making $200,000 a year today after 25 years on the job? Well, if you started with the pay of an average worker 25 years ago that's what you'd be making today---if you got the same kind of raises that CEOs of American companies got for the past 25 years! The average compensation of a CEO in 1980 was about 40 times that of the average worker in his company. Today it is more than 500 times! If your pay had kept up with his, you would be making more than $200,000 this year. Of course, that didn't happen, did it? So let's see what actually did happen to the average American worker's pay over the past 25 years of the Reagan-Bush economic regime..

Stagnating Workers' Wages
In 1979 the American worker's average hourly wage was equal to $15.91 (adjusted for inflation in 2001 dollars). By 1989 it had reached only $16.63/hour. That's a gain of only 7 cents a year for the entire Reagan decade.

But wait. Things get worse! By 1995 it had risen to only $16.71, or virtually no gain whatsoever over the 6 years between 1989 and 1995. During the great 'boom years' between 1995 and 2000 it rose briefly to $18.33 per hour. In other words, from 1979 to 2000, even before the most recent Bush recession, after more than two decades the American worker's average wages increased on average only 11.5 cents per hour per year! With nearly all of that coming in the five so-called 'boom' years of 1995-2000, and most of that lost once again in the last three years. And that includes for all workers, even those with college degrees.

...

http://www.kyklosproductions.com/articles/wages.html


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You are negative in every aspect of life; you must be a very sad person. Your negatives are depressing~!


Of course these negatives are depressing. After a lifetime of being fed a huge load of bullshit, it is obviously doubly depressing to find out the truth.

Y'all go on with these little charades discussing who the next prez will be like you're doing something important when all you are really doing is making a choice between a Hitler Sr or a Hitler Jr.


spendius
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 01:50 pm
@realjohnboy,
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I happen to be mostly on the left wing of the Democratic party, ...


I'm sorry to be such an asshole rjb but the left wing of the Dem party (ultra left) has nothing good to say about NFL. The game inculcates the barbarian predatory impulse (exploitation using force and cunning), and is suffused with quasi-religious imagery and gambling. It is quite extreme right wing in all its essentials. It exudes mastery/subservience.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 01:55 pm
@spendius,
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but the left wing of the Dem party (ultra left) has nothing good to say about NFL.


I'm not of that crowd but I have something nice to say about NFL football. It's as exciting as watching paint dry.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 02:04 pm
@spendius,
What is NFL? You must have me confused with someone else. I know nothing about NFL. (Nutritional Food Levels; Natural Fluorescent Lighting; Neutered Feline Laws?)
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 02:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You are negative in every aspect of life;


That's not true, CI. I successfully took on all the negatives, the lies of a large number of language prescriptivists and showed the true beauty, the complexity of language.

For those negatives that have interrupted your "American Dream", all I can say is that I don't feel particularly sorry for any of you. Y'all sound like the children of Mafia bosses wondering why their fathers are being picked on.

Why should, why would anyone feel sorry for a group that has provided such material support for the rape and pillage of numerous countries, for the millions of innocents slain?

I'm sure that you can see that that is simply a preposterous idea.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 02:42 pm
@JTT,
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What ethics could there possibly be in a economic system that puts profits at the top of the list?


That profit builds hospitals, orphanages and welfare systems.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 02:44 pm
@spendius,
for profit hospitals, orphanages, and...
Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 02:45 pm
@spendius,
That's a gross over-simplification. Excessive Profits like that from corps Exxon-Mobil is obscene.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 02:49 pm
@Rockhead,
So, how do you make a 'for profit' orphanage? Just curious, you understand. Where do you get the orphans, if the revenue comes from selling them.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 02:52 pm
@roger,
how is that different from "for profit" prisons?
roger
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jan, 2012 02:54 pm
@Rockhead,
I dunno. I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy prisoners, either.
 

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