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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2011 09:11 pm
@rosborne979,
Thank you for sharing, a must see video for anyone who wants to know what the problems are. People need to listen to economist and political scientist and stop believing nonsense.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2011 11:11 pm
From NYT:
Quote:
Payroll Tax Battle With G.O.P. Gives Lift to Obama

President Obama seemed to benefit from House Republicans’ handling of a standoff over payroll taxes, which drew criticism even from leading conservatives.
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failures art
 
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Reply Wed 21 Dec, 2011 11:28 pm
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:

As Betty Bowers says "God told me to hate you!" Wink

After all, she's Americas number one Christian.
R
T
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 06:34 am
@reasoning logic,
I watched it all rl. There's nothing new in it. It's just the glib exploitation of disenchantment.

It's nearly 50 years since Dylan said--"Money doesn't talk, it swears." And doing something about that was a lot easier then than it is now. And it wasn't done. Quite the contrary. The money flags have been waving at a faster and faster speed ever since.

It's a bit like those nostalgic sports fans who want to take the money out of sport. To play on muddy pitches and the participants turning up on Sunday for a game after a week in an office or tractor driving. A no-brainer but blokes in the pub hanker after it and yet they still avidly watch the games now on the 47" TV and I very much doubt they would watch games played in the way they are asking for.

Politics without money is like Christianity without Hell. Insane. Just as money without fraud. The guy has no sense of the contribution of human nature. And he is tinkering around with just one small corner of political and economic activity and ignoring the rest.

Limiting campaign contributions to $100 is easy to say whilst pretending that there are not ways round such a limit. He assumes that the 99% are all "sweet pretty things" who are in bed now of course. So the audience likes it because they get to imagine they are sweet pretty things and in fact they are a bunch of assholes who would rip the linings out of your pockets if they got the chance to do it legally.

He talks as if bankers, lobbyists and politicians are a separate species of American and they all went to the same schools and watched the same TV as the rest of you. They are you but have climbed the greasy pole. They are exactly like you would be had you climbed it. How could it be otherwise without an aristocracy when there is no greasy pole?

I just swallow it whole. The **** and the sugar. And I know one thing for sure-- I would rather be living now in the West under US leadership than at any other time in history or in any other place. It was **** City before we got going and I'm not for rocking the boat on the basis of a few carefully selected airy-fairy notions however glib they are.

Are the large corporations which deliver out fantastic life-style--white-wall tyres with ZZ Top blasting out of the dashboard--I ask you?--not entitled to have a bigger say than those who casually consume what they deliver.

What do we get with Congress full of squeaky-clean goody-goodies? Lights Out I should imagine. Pubs with no beer. Cleavage Police. No laughs.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 06:37 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Cleavage Police.


Part of your video collection?
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 07:08 am
@izzythepush,
One feels one needs to keep up with the rolling Zeitgeist izzy. Did you know that the PWCs in some Italian cities wear high heels on patrol? But I must admit from what I saw that they had been selected because they were perfectly formed. It wouldn't do for fatties.

Imagine being banged up by a doxie in high-heel shoes.
jcboy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 08:37 am
@failures art,
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/443916/GINGRICH-BILLBOARD.jpg

In so far as Ashley Madison is a registered trademark, I'd surmise that it is a legitimate ad for Ashley Madison (although "legitimate" may not be an appropriate modifier in this context)
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 09:29 am
@spendius,
I didn't know that, but I don't have fantasies about being arrested.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 09:37 am
@izzythepush,
There's time yet izzy.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 09:39 am
@spendius,
I tend to fantasise about meeting a woman who'll put the bins out.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 10:18 am
Can't help but notice that the latest payroll tax argument isn't going too well for the GOP. And that Obama's approval numbers in general have been rising, and his poll numbers versus the top two contenders in the next election have also been rising.

Cycloptichorn
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 10:34 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Can't help but notice that the latest payroll tax argument isn't going too well for the GOP. And that Obama's approval numbers in general have been rising, and his poll numbers versus the top two contenders in the next election have also been rising.

Cycloptichorn
The race has not yet begun.





David
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 10:48 am
oh, it's begun all right. It started two years ago when you guys decided that you would intentionally oppose anything Obama proposed, no matter what. So far it doesn't look good for the GOP. Talk about repeatedly shooting yourself in the foot (like the gun metaphor, Dave?)
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 11:52 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Oh, please. The Iowa caucuses are less than two weeks away. Of course the race has begun.

Have fun with Mitt Romney next year. I assure you the rest of us will.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 11:53 am
@MontereyJack,
MJ, Many conservatives still don't see the message on the wall, because they've been brainwashed into thinking our government still spends too much.
The funny thing about this go around on tax cuts is the simple fact that they are supposed to be the "cut tax" cult, but they have sent confusing messages to their voters by saying "no" to tax cuts.

It's really funny if you think about it; the Tea Party-GOP in congress are aiming at Obama to fail, but they don't see themselves shooting at their own feet to cripple themselves from future elections.

I hope they continue on with their mixed messages to the American people.

They will eventually destroy their own smug elected positions and their
party of "no."

One more thing; it's the same party that resulted in the downgrade of US bonds when they neglected to approve the increase in our debt ceiling which is an automatic approval system that has never been denied in the past.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 07:21 pm
Newt seems to have made it onto the ballot in the Repub primary in my state of Virginia. He needed 10,ooo sigs overall and he got 11,500. Of the 10K, 400 had to come from each of the 19 congressional districts. He seems to have done that, also.
Election officials note that, typically, a candidate needs to get around 15,000 sigs overall and 500 per district to get past people signing more than one petition once it it is all audited.
Bachmann, Santorum and Huntsman didn't come close to qualifying.
Virginia's Repub primary is Super Tuesday when many other states vote.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 07:39 pm
@realjohnboy,
Mitt said today that, at this time, he has no intention of releasing his personal tax returns. But he said he may change his mind.
He is not required to do so in the campaign process, but many candidates - if not most - have gone the disclosure route.
Mitt goes on to say that he has complied with all tax rules. He readily admits that some of those rules, as written, enabled him to save money on his taxes. But he always complied with the tax laws as Congress had crafted them.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 07:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
One more thing; it's the same party that resulted in the downgrade of US bonds when they neglected to approve the increase in our debt ceiling which is an automatic approval system that has never been denied in the past


Apparently, you didnt bother to do a little research before you made this statement

Quote:
.http://www.tradingnrg.com/u-s-debt-ceiling-2011-us-debt-limit-was-raised-by-2-1-trillion-august-1/



Quote:
As expected, the House of Representatives voted for raising the U.S.debt limit ; this approval was made possible after very long deliberations over the weekend between Democrats and Republicans; in the end, the two parties agreed to raise the US debt ceiling, which has reached its cap at $14.3 trillion, to $16.4 trillion an increase of $2.1 trillion. The agreement also includes cutting the federal budget deficit by $2.5 trillion over the next decade. On the other hand, the plan doesn’t include raising taxes.

The deadline for raising the debt limit was August 2nd , after that deadline had the U.S. didn’t raise the debt limit, it would have defaulted on its debt. This increase should suffice the US economy for the next couple of years to 2013.

Major rating agencies including Moody’s Investors Service, Standard & Poor’s and Fitch Ratings claimed in the past that the US’s AAA credit rating isn’t secure even if the US will raise the debt ceiling on time.


So they DID raise the debt limit, and there was no guarantee that the US credit rating was secure anyway.
So your attempt to blame the repubs for the lowering of our credit rating is blatantly false.
And the repubs DID approve raising the credit rating, contrary to your claim.


roger
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 08:52 pm
@realjohnboy,
As I think you noted earlier, Newt doesn't have a very strong campaign organization. I suspect they got enough signatures to qualify, plus a handfull to allow for challenges, and they all quit and went home. My point being that this may not be an indication of his support. Of course may not pretty much means the same as may.

Romney admits that following tax law and rulings helped reduce his income taxes. Now, does that sound sneaky, or what? Not to say I don't do the same, of course.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 09:37 pm
@mysteryman,
I love your sig line, MM. It was good for a laff. Thank u.





David
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