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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 05:08 pm
@realjohnboy,
Of course it will include Obama bashing.

That's what Republicans want to hear just as Democrats wanted to hear Bush bashing when their candidates tried to prevent him from a second term.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 05:20 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
True. Politics as usual. The finger pointing over the super committee thing and how the defense budget cuts will endanger our security will be front and center.

Has anyone here watched any of the debates? Amazingly, they are drawing big audiences.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 05:25 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Of course it will include Obama bashing.

That's what Republicans want to hear just as Democrats wanted to hear Bush bashing when their candidates tried to prevent him from a second term.


Theoretically, these debates are for not only Republicans, but for independent voters who want info on Obama's potential rival. One would think that there would be at least a nod towards forwarding a workable ideology.

I found the last debate that focused on foreign policy to be highly amusing, as each candidate (other than the oh-so-loveable, yet crazy, Ron Paul) tripped over the next to announce their intentions to use 'covert' means to prevent Iran from acquiring the bomb. Romney even said 'it would all be deniable.' I don't think a single one of them was aware of the irony of openly talking about their intentions to launch covert, deniable attacks on another country Laughing

Cycloptichorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 05:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
I can't tell if I'm supposed to be happy or sad to hear that.


Happy if you think you can beat us and sad if you think that you can't.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 05:35 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
I can't tell if I'm supposed to be happy or sad to hear that.


Happy if you think you can beat us and sad if you think that you can't.


Who is 'us?'

Cycloptichorn
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 05:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
What you should be studying Cyclo is the Leveson Enquiry.

That's where the cutting edge of politics is now. This Republican musical chairs stuff is tame. Who cares whether that lady who rang Mr Cain's office hoping to use her sexual appeal to promote her interests is really neither here nor there. That's been going on for a very long time.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 05:53 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

What you should be studying Cyclo is the Leveson Enquiry.

That's where the cutting edge of politics is now. This Republican musical chairs stuff is tame. Who cares whether that lady rang Mr Cain's office hoping to use her sexual appeal to promote her interests is really neither here nor there. That's been going on for a very long time.


I've been casually following that in your media for some time now. I had thought things had died down a bit, but they look to now be proceeding at a furious rate. I haven't commented on it much here, because truthfully I don't know much about what went on.

Cycloptichorn
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 06:03 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Media broke a sacred law in the public interest is one way of putting it.

What should be the role of Media in this battle which is called The Game of Nations?

Is free speech to be judged by the markets or Tweetie Pie?
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 08:38 pm
I made it through an hour and a half of the debate tonight. Paul and Huntsman have done okay (although I am not saying I agree with their points).
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2011 11:03 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

What you should be studying Cyclo is the Leveson Enquiry.

That's where the cutting edge of politics is now. This Republican musical chairs stuff is tame. Who cares whether that lady who rang Mr Cain's office hoping to use her sexual appeal to promote her interests is really neither here nor there. That's been going on for a very long time.


I've followed some of the televised testimony a bit - very lawyerly. The cell phone hacking had apparently been going on for some time and the disclosure of purloined and distorted data in the case of the murdered girl was an awful addition to a capital crime. However in a world populated with the creep Julian Assange and the various paparazzi & tabloid journalists of this country and yours; as well as the oh-so-serious, politically very focused apologists for various parties, masquerading as impartial news analysts .... I don't see much there to arouse special indignation. My (admittedly superficial) impression is that your tabloid journals are a bit worse, more intrusive and inventive than ours - but not by much. The offal they produce is eagerly bought up by the now indignant masses (same here as well), providing for most a very profitable operation. It all seems (sadly) a bit comic to me.


"The Leveson Inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the press ..." sounds a bit pretentious. We shall see how the commission manages to square the circle in responding to its carefully weasel-worded mandate to submit, "Recommendations for a more effective policy and regulation that supports the integrity and freedom of the press while encouraging the highest ethical standards."
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 06:36 am
@georgeob1,
What it represents to me George is an aspect of that scientific materialism which seeks to refer all qualitative impressions, the right to privacy in this case, to fixed quantitative base values, money. Or, to put it rather preciously, the clash between the sordid and the sublime. Human life resolved into mechanics. Nature referred to an imagined, fantasised, picture of a numerically and structurally measurable order and justified by it.

The spectacle of a bunch of humiliated Rep. hopefuls offering snappy soundbites of the utmost silliness to explain their position regarding the rest of the world with a view to adding on votes shows just how far this Helmholtzian principle of Natural Science has penetrated, pun intended, our consciousness. Tweaks in the polls being the instrument of measurment.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 09:44 pm
@spendius,
What do you think about these economist?

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 09:58 pm

The GOP is America's conservative party
(i.e., the party that defends the Original American Constitutionalist vu).

Gingrich has always had a history of very MODERATELY, in a luke-warm way,
accepted American conservatism. I can put up with that.


Its a lot better than obama.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 10:33 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
A lot better than Obama in what ways?
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 11:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The latest polls, which show Gingrich doing well, and show he is well regarded in terms of leadership ability, also show that people have significant reservations about his character and ethics. To say the least, that is a serious drawback to his being elected.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 11:51 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
The latest polls, which show Gingrich doing well, and show he is well regarded in terms of leadership ability, also show that people have significant reservations about his character and ethics. To say the least, that is a serious drawback to his being elected.
We cannot change Newt's past (nor our own).
We can only select from the best of available candidates.
I deem him acceptable.

I don't give a damn qua his quarrels with his wife.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2011 11:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
A lot better than Obama in what ways?
He is more AMERICAN in his philosophy.





David
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 12:08 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I don't give a damn qua his quarrels with his wife.

There are other issues with Gingrich, regarding morality, besides his affairs and wives.
Quote:
CAMPAIGN 2012
Third-Consecutive Poll Shows Gingrich Narrowly Ahead
by Steven Shepard
November 22, 2011

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is atop the field of 2012 Republican presidential candidates in the third-consecutive poll in the past 24 hours, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney close behind.

The latest poll, conducted by Quinnipiac University and released on early Tuesday, shows Gingrich leading Romney, 26 percent to 22 percent. Embattled businessman Herman Cain was third, with 14 percent. No other candidate was in double digits: Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, each had 6 percent.

Gingrich also held narrow leads over Romney in USA Today/Gallup and CNN/ORC International surveys released on Monday.

In late October, Cain led Romney, 30 percent to 23 percent. Gingrich was a distant third, at just 10 percent.

Gingrich leads Romney among conservative voters, 30 percent to 21 percent, while Romney has an 11-point lead among those who identify as moderates.

When Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters were asked to choose between the top two candidates, 49 percent preferred Gingrich and 39 percent chose Romney.

Asked about which candidate they think would do the best job handling the economy, 27 percent of Republicans chose Romney, while 25 percent picked Gingrich. But on foreign policy, Gingrich is preferred to Romney by a wide margin, 46 percent to 16 percent.

Forty-eight percent of Republicans preferred Gingrich when it comes to having "the knowledge and experience necessary to be a good president," while just 22 percent selected Romney. But Romney leads on the question of which candidate has "a strong moral character," with 32 percent. Just 9 percent chose the twice-divorced Gingrich.

Romney is preferred for electability: 38 percent of Republicans think he is the candidate most able to defeat President Obama in the general election. And a majority of Republicans, 52 percent, think Romney is the most likely to win the nomination, compared with just 19 percent who say Gingrich is the most likely nominee.

Despite Gingrich's slight advantage in the GOP primary, Romney remains the stronger general-election candidate, according to the poll. Among all registered voters, Obama led Romney by just 1 point, 45 percent to 44 percent. Romney trailed by 5 points in late October.

Gingrich, on the other hand, trailed Obama by a significant margin, 49 percent to 40 percent. In late October, Obama led by 15 points, 52 percent to 37 percent.

The Quinnipiac poll was conducted Nov. 14-20, surveying 2,552 registered voters. The margin of error for the full poll is +/- 1.9 percent. There were 1,039 Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters for the GOP primary, for a margin of error of +/- 3.0 percent.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/third-consecutive-poll-shows-gingrich-narrowly-ahead-20111122

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 02:02 am
@firefly,
DAVID wrote:
I don't give a damn qua his quarrels with his wife.
firefly wrote:
There are other issues with Gingrich, regarding morality, besides his affairs and wives.

Quote:
CAMPAIGN 2012
Third-Consecutive Poll Shows Gingrich Narrowly Ahead
by Steven Shepard
November 22, 2011

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is atop the field of 2012 Republican presidential candidates in the third-consecutive poll in the past 24 hours, with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney close behind.

The latest poll, conducted by Quinnipiac University and released on early Tuesday, shows Gingrich leading Romney, 26 percent to 22 percent. Embattled businessman Herman Cain was third, with 14 percent. No other candidate was in double digits: Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, each had 6 percent.

Gingrich also held narrow leads over Romney in USA Today/Gallup and CNN/ORC International surveys released on Monday.

In late October, Cain led Romney, 30 percent to 23 percent. Gingrich was a distant third, at just 10 percent.

Gingrich leads Romney among conservative voters, 30 percent to 21 percent, while Romney has an 11-point lead among those who identify as moderates.

When Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters were asked to choose between the top two candidates, 49 percent preferred Gingrich and 39 percent chose Romney.
Romney (father & son) are imposters; R.I.N.O.s; fakes, opportunists, wolves in sheep's clothing.



Quote:
Asked about which candidate they think would do the best job handling the economy, 27 percent of Republicans chose Romney, while 25 percent picked Gingrich. But on foreign policy, Gingrich is preferred to Romney by a wide margin, 46 percent to 16 percent.

Forty-eight percent of Republicans preferred Gingrich when it comes to having "the knowledge and experience necessary to be a good president," while just 22 percent selected Romney. But Romney leads on the question of which candidate has "a strong moral character," with 32 percent. Just 9 percent chose the twice-divorced Gingrich.
Huge numbers of citizens have been divorced. Thay know that is a PRIVATE matter.





Quote:
Romney is preferred for electability: 38 percent of Republicans think he is the candidate most able to defeat President Obama in the general election. And a majority of Republicans, 52 percent, think Romney is the most likely to win the nomination, compared with just 19 percent who say Gingrich is the most likely nominee.
Romney is alien to our hearts, our souls, our minds.
He is only an opportunist.
Personal freedom, the core of our philosophy, is of very little concern to Romney (like the Bushes).





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 24 Nov, 2011 02:07 am

To the extent that it is POSSIBLE,
WITHIN REASON, we shoud not consider
marital misadventures of people in the public eye
in our evaluation of their merit, insofar as thay pertain to us.

For instance, if Franklin Roosevelt had been found to be
a homosexual (which did not happen) we shoud not have
avoided him, shunned him, because he was very, very valuable both
b4 the war and during WWII in defeating the Axis Powers
(tho he DID screw up qua those lousy tanks he gave our troops against the German Tigers).





David
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