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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 09:17 am
@izzythepush,
Who is George IV? Apart from being the George between George III and George V and inventing how the modern American conducts intellectual discourse.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 09:23 am
@spendius,
Why ask a question if you then go on to answer it? I think at the time of the quotation he was the Prince Regent.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 09:34 am
@izzythepush,
One has to hope that the royal witticism didn't provide the excuse to avoid reading Gibbon's masterpiece of literature. That would be a shame.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 11:48 am
@spendius,
George IV was not really known for his intelligence. The excuse I use, is that I've not got round to it yet. I did try reading it once, but I didn't learn anything about Rome, it was all about stamps.

I know you were being deliberately inflammatory when you accused me of not having heard of it. George IV's quotation is quite well known, it's usually the one thing people know about 'Decline And Fall,' I would be surprised to hear you'd not heard of that.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 12:06 pm
@izzythepush,
I've seen it a few times. It's well known to those who take an interest in these things.

"Digging, raking, weeding eh? Mr Gardener." One might say it about anything. It's worthless.

And I did not accuse you, or anybody else, of not having heard of DAFOTRE. Quite the contrary. Thus I was not being deliberately inflammatory.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 12:06 pm
@izzythepush,
Interesting article in Today's Guardian by Gary Younge about the candidates

Quote:
Over the last couple of months the full extent of the intellectual degradation of the Republican party has been laid bare. Before Rick Perry forgot his own talking points he insisted the American Revolution was fought in the 16th century (200 years too early); Michele Bachmann claimed the vaccine against human papilloma virus can cause "mental retardation" (it can't), and that John Quincy Adams was a founding father (he wasn't). Individually these could be lapses of memory, slips of the tongue. But together they are emblematic of a brazen philistinism and reckless defamation that has dominated the American right in recent times. What we've witnessed in these debates are not gaffes, but the inevitable result of a descent into rhetorical hyperventilation. For the past three years making bizarre, false, inflammatory statements was not regarded as an obstacle to being taken seriously within the party but a prerequisite for it.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/20/gaffes-republicans-herman-cain-rick-perry
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 01:09 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

And I did not accuse you, or anybody else, of not having heard of DAFOTRE. Quite the contrary. Thus I was not being deliberately inflammatory.


Yeah, sorry you're right, bit of a convoluted sentence though.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 05:16 pm
Newt today in NH on why people might decide to stick with the SS system instead of a potentially more lucrative privatized option:
"You're an American. You're allowed to be dumb."
parados
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 05:24 pm
@realjohnboy,
Meanwhile from Paul Krugman about Newt...


Quote:
somebody said he's a stupid man's idea of what a smart man sounds like
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TheLeapist
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 05:24 pm
@izzythepush,
Articles like that bother me. The writer pretends like liberals never have gaffes.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 05:38 pm
@TheLeapist,
No, he didn't pretend that at all. He recognizes people have gaffes.

Quote:
Individually these could be lapses of memory, slips of the tongue.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 05:51 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Yeah, sorry you're right, bit of a convoluted sentence though.


I just knew it would be my fault. It always is. A2K is like that.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 06:01 pm
@spendius,
Quit blaming it on a2k; it's you!
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 06:03 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush's source wrote:
Individually these could be lapses of memory, slips of the tongue. But together they are emblematic of a brazen philistinism and reckless defamation that has dominated the American right in recent times. What we've witnessed in these debates are not gaffes, but the inevitable result of a descent into rhetorical hyperventilation. For the past three years making bizarre, false, inflammatory statements was not regarded as an obstacle to being taken seriously within the party but a prerequisite for it.


What is even more appalling is that this is the party of Abraham Lincoln, one of the greatest orators (arbuably the greatest) in American history, even when making ex tempore remarks. It is also the party of Theodore Roosevelt, Jr., who, in the year after graduating Harvard and while attending law school at Columbia University, published The Naval War of 1812--which not only remains the best, most concise work on the subject, but which so impressed the Admiralty, that when, in the 1890s, they commissioned a history of the Royal Navy, they soliticited Mr. Roosevelt to write the article on the American War. This is the party of Herbert Hoover, who, although made the goat for the Great Depression, was one of the most capable men ever to hold the office of President. He was a professional mining engineer before taking up relief work during the 1914-18 war, at one point distributing more than two million tons of food relief to more than nine million victims of the war over a two year period.

And what do we see today? Apart from the gaffes mentioned in the quoted article, we have Herman Caine, who can't frame an answer to a simple question about Libya. We have Newt Gingrich, with some pretentions to scholarship, who has written that the founders not only did not intend to separate church and state, but intended that organized religion must have place in government--upon what basis i cannot imagine, and i'm certainly not going to waste money on a book of his.

The Republican party has certainly fallen on hard times.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 06:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I didn't blame A2K. I blamed myself. A2K can't help the way it is. It's a fact of life.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 06:03 pm
@realjohnboy,
"Potentially more lucrative privatized option?" ROFLMAO

There's a world recession going on, and the Euro's in big trouble. Retail sales in the US continues its downward trend, and most people understand simple economics. Consumer spending makes up 70% of our economy.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 06:08 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
at one point distributing more than two tons of food relief to more than nine million victims of the war over a two year period.


Which is, roughly, 1/18th of an ounce each or 1/36th of an ounce per year.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 07:34 pm
@spendius,
Spendius is this the message you are hearing in your neck of the woods?

MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 07:41 pm
Uh, spendius, your math is a bit off. It's TWO MILLION TONS, not two tons, which works out to somewhat more than 200 p0unds per person per year, a quite significant chunk of a person's total food intake. /coning up with one millionth of the actual amount puts you right up there with the Republican candidates accuracy-wise.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2011 09:23 pm
@spendius,
As you are...
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