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The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 05:06 am
@spendius,
And this is a man opposed to abortion.

Sheesh!!!
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djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 05:10 am
@firefly,
ah election season, if the one eyed trouser snake pops out and sees his shadow were doomed to six weeks of testimony about about Coke cans and pubic hair (though Godfather's might have served Pepsi)
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 05:59 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Is there any Republican you think might make a good president?


An interesting question, for several reasons.
1) You've never given any indication that you attribute an iota of value to my opinions. In fact, you disagree so reflexively to everything I say that it's hard to believe you even read my posts before answering.

2) Even if it was the case that I thought you would weigh what I said about a republican, the question is sort of moot since I've already told you that I consider Barack Obama the best man for the job after seeing what the GOP has to offer.

3) You ask a question after having not answered a question of mine, namely "Would you have told the civil rights protesters to go home, when it became predictable that there would probably be violent physical conflict if they continued?"

4) The way you phrase it is interesting. You ask if I think "any republican" would make a good president. Not any of the three in contention now, just "any" republican. so it's kind of obscure whether you mean any republican throughout time, or in the last few years, or from this present crop.

5) It's interesting because it should be obvious, if not from what I've written before, then my last post tells what I think about Romney, Perry and Cain.

I'll assume you mean the latest crop including all those 9 standing on the debate stage and those two who weren't invited to debate. Because of the views they espouse and ideology they are being held captive by, no. Because of how they have governed (those that have held an office) and how they say they would govern, no. I think the republican party is wrong in their approach to social issues, wrong in their approach to economic issues, and wrong in their approach to how this country should behave on the world stage. Leaving aside the atrocious and disgusting aspects of some of their characters that they are unable to hide, even just dealing with what kind of chief executive they would all be, no.

Hope that answers you sufficiently.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:43 am
@snood,
Quote:
Is there any Republican you think might make a good president?


I think Jon Huntsman would be good. Of course he is far too reasonable a person to win the nomination in a Republican party that punishes reason.

Romney is a shape shifter. I suppose he could decide to take the form of a decent president after he wins by morphing from a the conservative nutcase he needs to be to win the primary to the pro-business centrist he needs to be to win the general election..

The problem with Romney is that you never know what you are going to get once he is in office.



djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:46 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
Romney is a shape shifter.


he gets that power from the magic underwear his type wear Wink
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 06:48 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Why are these two females allowed to remain anonymous.


I imagine it was part of the deal when they were paid off. In my humble opinion, anyone who pays out large sums of money to avoid going to court usually has something to hide. If I were accused of such behaviour I'd want my day in court. It sounds a bit like Michael Jackson.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 07:17 am
@izzythepush,
I don't know that there is any objective evidence of "large sums of money".

And look at the wording--“Have you ever been accused, sir, in your life of harassment by a woman?"

He should have said "No, but I live in hope".
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 07:49 am
Report: NYPD steers drunks to Occupy Wall Street

Those found drinking in city parks are told by officers to "take it to Zuccotti," the Daily News reports
By Justin Elliott

There’s a bombshell allegation buried in this story from Sunday’s Daily News: the NYPD is reportedly telling drunks to hang out in Zuccotti Park, apparently as a way to undermine the credibility of Occupy Wall Street.

Harry Siegel reports:
But while officers may be in a no-win situation, at the mercy of orders carried on shifting political winds and locked into conflict with a so-far almost entirely non-violent protest movement eager to frame the force as a symbol of the oppressive system they’re fighting, the NYPD seems to have crossed a line in recent days, as the park has taken on a darker tone with unsteady and unstable types suddenly seeming to emerge from the woodwork.

Two different drunks I spoke with last week told me they’d been encouraged to “take it to Zuccotti” by officers who’d found them drinking in other parks, and members of the community affairs working group related several similar stories they’d heard while talking with intoxicated or aggressive new arrivals.

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/31/report_nypd_steers_drunks_to_occupy_wall_street/
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 07:55 am
@snood,
1st, wouldn't this be better an occupy wall street thread

2nd, it's unfortunate that they are steering drunks towards the protesters, they should be steering busses (or better yet tanks)
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 07:59 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
So you are going to believe some police chief without proof? You who dont believe many posters on this site even when they post ironclad proof to you.

It was written in a newspaper on the Internet. What more proof need there be?
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 08:10 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

1st, wouldn't this be better an occupy wall street thread

2nd, it's unfortunate that they are steering drunks towards the protesters, they should be steering busses (or better yet tanks)


If you've been following this thread, you'd know that OWS has been discussed at length here already - I wasn't doing anything that many haven't already been doing. And there is a connection that can be pretty easily made between the state of the economy, OWS and the presidential candidates.
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 08:23 am
@snood,
point taken

i'd be equally happy if someone was steering busses or tanks towards presidential candidates (all politicians actually, and bankers, lawyers, the clergy, people who appear on dancing with the stars, frankly, the list might be endless)
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 09:21 am
@snood,
Gosh snoody, if you didn't want to answer the question, you could have ignored it or just told me to pack sand. No need for a whiny diatribe.

I read most of your posts, and certainly the ones to which I respond. I didn't know it hurt your feelings that I seldom agree with you. I'm sorry.

Sometimes I do you know, as evidenced in the thread about offensive Halloween costumes...and now I expect you to agree with me once in a while. Wink
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 09:26 am
In more electoral news,

The Obama admin and the DNC are going to begin directly confronting Republicans and accusing them of intentionally sabotaging our economy for electoral gain:

Quote:

October 31, 2011 10:40 AM
Axelrod latest to raise the sabotage question

David Axelrod, a senior campaign strategist for President Obama, talked yesterday with CNN’s Candy Crowley, who asked whether it’s surprising that the White House has had “a hard time with Congress.” Axelrod responded:
Quote:

“I think this is something — something different going on right now. When you have the leader — the Republican leader of the Senate say, ‘Our number one goal — in the midst of this economy, our number one goal is to defeat the president,’ and they’re acting like it.

“They don’t want to cooperate. They don’t want to help. Even on measures to help the economy that they traditionally have supported before, like a payroll tax cut, like infrastructure, rebuilding our roads and bridges and surface transport. These — so you have to ask you a question: Are they willing to tear down the economy in order to tear down the president or are they going to cooperate?

“And, listen, there’s a reason why the Congress is at 9 percent in some polls, approval, lowest in history. Because this is different than we’ve ever seen before.” [emphasis added]


This comes just three weeks after Jim Messina, the campaign manager for Obama/Biden 2012, sent an email to the Obama for America list, arguing that the Republican strategy is “to suffocate the economy for the sake of what they think will be a political victory.”

In other words, the “sabotage” question — concerns that Republicans are deliberately hurting the country, holding back the economy on purpose, for the express purpose of undermining the Obama presidency — is gaining mainstream traction. No one close to the president has been willing to broach this provocative line, and now we have one of Obama’s top political aides raising the question on national television.

Greg Sargent added, “At the very least, this may be the first time a top Obama campaign official has linked this argument to the idea that this GOP behavior may be historically unprecedented, and that it may be a key reason for Congress’ historical unpopularity — it’s a broadening of the indictment.”

Quite right. And as the indictment broadens, so too does the number of prominent figures make the accusations. What was once a rarely-asked question, largely confined to lefty blogs, is now a concern being raised by two top officials on the president’s re-election team, two leading Democratic senators, and a wide variety of prominent pundits, including a Pulitzer Prize winner and a Nobel laureate.

This shouldn’t be terribly surprising, of course, given the larger circumstances. Just over the last few months, we’ve seen the Republican debt-ceiling scandal, the GOP-driven downgrade, the Republican rejection of any efforts to boost the economy, the GOP pleading with the Federal Reserve not to even try to improve conditions, repeated Republican threats of government shutdowns, GOP lawmakers announcing their opposition to their own economic ideas, and Republicans killing jobs bills, large and small.

Under the circumstances, it’s hardly shocking that folks might start to wonder out loud, “Hmm, maybe Republicans are trying to hurt the economy on purpose?”


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/axelrod_latest_to_raise_the_sa033184.php

I predict they will have some small success with this, because it happens to be perfectly true. Not only that, it will dovetail nicely with many statements made by both Romney and Perry, showing that neither of them give two shits about the economy or the people in it - other than the rich.

Cycloptichorn
JPB
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 09:27 am
@maxdancona,
I agree. Huntsman isn't even part of the conversation any longer. It's a shame, really, but not unexpected. I'd still vote for him over anyone else running at the moment from either party. Assuming that he'll be toast long before the general election, I'll be voting for Obama there.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 09:33 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

I agree. Huntsman isn't even part of the conversation any longer. It's a shame, really, but not unexpected. I'd still vote for him over anyone else running at the moment from either party. Assuming that he'll be toast long before the general election, I'll be voting for Obama there.


It's just another symptom of how far-right wing the GOP has really become.

Cycloptichorn
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 09:39 am
@Cycloptichorn,
ha! looks like Axelrod/Messina and the team have been picking up strategies from recent (and not-so-recent) nymag columns
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 09:41 am
@maxdancona,
I would love to see Huntsman in the White House over Obama, but the only reasons Democrats like him are:

1) He's not like by the hard core right
2)He has no chance of winning

The greatest of ironies would be Huntsman running as a 3rd party candidate, and winning with the votes of independents, liberal Republicans and disaffected Obama Democrats.

He would be a more conservative president than the likely GOP nominee Romney.

You really need to look beyond the fact that he says he believes in evolution, accepts the orthodoxy on climate change, and would bring the troops home for Afghanistan.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 09:43 am
@ehBeth,
The Republicans will deny it, of course, while accusing the Dems of 'class warfare.' But that denial in itself opens them up to a whole series of counter-attacks, based on their own statements and actions over the last two years. Obama and his crew will ask the Republicans if their ideological purity is more important than the health of our nation and it's occupants; and then mercilessly skewer them with the fact that the GOP chooses ideological purity each and every time.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 31 Oct, 2011 09:45 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

You really need to look beyond the fact that he says he believes in evolution, accepts the orthodoxy on climate change, and would bring the troops home for Afghanistan.


How is it even possible to look past such things? He's the only candidate on your side who has even a shred of intelligence or intellectual honesty.

Cycloptichorn
 

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