The Republican Nomination For President: The Race For The Race For The White House

@realjohnboy,

In an ideal environment, Cain would be permitted to modify his plan in response to criticism he thought was accurate so that by the time he was elected he would have most of the bugs out.

But this environment is one of political contest, and any modifications he may make in response to legitimate criticism will be seen as a weakness, not a strength.

This is not to say I agree with any of his critics, but I have to believe even he doesn't think 9-9-9 is perfect, and it would be refreshing and encouraging to see one of the candidates respond:

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"You know, I hadn't thought of that. You may be right. I'm going to give it more thought and if I agree you are right, I'm going to modify the plan accordingly."

If anyone was capable of such a thing it might be Cain, but I don't think any of them, including him, are.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Maybe it was facetious. Maybe it wasn't.

But I think my analysis allowed for either.

I certainly didn't say that he thought believing in evolution or trusting scientists on global warming is crazy. I don't know what he thinks. I think it's crazy for a politician. Which is what he is.

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@realjohnboy,

realjohnboy wrote:

Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan is coming under more than a little scrutiny.
He defended it this morning, saying cryptically that some people would pay more in taxes and most would pay less.
He added:
"Who would pay more (in the sales tax portion)? The people who spend more money on new goods. The sales tax only applies to people who buy new goods, not used goods. That's a big difference."

New goods. Swell, but there goes the auto industry. You suddenly see a 9% increase in the price of a new car, and the old clunker starts looking pretty good. I wonder if the plan would stop the tax giveaway on hybrids and plug in only vehicles.

The plan won't tax dividends and capital gains if I'm recalling correctly. Buffett will laugh all the way to the bank. If all social security becomes taxable at 9% regardless of income, going to the bank won't even be a bad joke anymore.

Wages and salary would not be business deductable expenses. I know for certain that the O & G well servicing business has wages very close to 50% of revenue. Net income becomes a negative number. A big negative number.

Give the plan enough tweaks and modifications to become somewhat workable and it isn't going to have any relationship to a "flat tax."

Cain seems like a real nice guy, and I will probably give him the vote but only because I know this deal isn't going to fly.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I think, just by looking at the whites of Mr Cain's eyes, that he is unelectable.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I might consider Mister Cain if he had thought his tax plan through before he presented it.

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Cain is anti-abortion, but he's keeping his head down on that one. He has also advocated a return to the gold standard, which is financial idiocy, but he keeps his head down on that one, too. The man is sufficiently goofy and dishonest about it to make him a big, big target if he ever gets into a seriously competitive position. The only question is whether or not the press does its homework.

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@spendius,

That's a remarkable facility.

What do the white's of Obama's eyes tell you?

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@RABEL222,

So that's it?

It's too late for him to redeem himself?

Before long he'll have a foreign policy with a catchy name and maybe he can snag you then.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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What do the white's of Obama's eyes tell you?

You don't really want to know Finn. It's probably best if I pre-empt the Ignore button because anybody who reaches for it on that one will be too late.

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http://www.salon.com/2011/10/15/the_republican_war_on_science_is_un_american/?source=newsletter

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

how many people there were who obviously firmly believe something is true on the sole evidence that they have said it.

works for me

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@djjd62,

Yeah--we know. It's good innit?

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@spendius,

Which is an assertion so I'll explain why it is good.

It helps us all to gauge the temper with which you receive injuries inflicted upon you by your fellow man and how you will bear yourself towards those that wrong you what with your inward being being so secured from the chaos and evils of the world.

Which is very good because it prompts us to avoid your company and especially during bouts of boozing.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Before long he'll have a foreign policy with a catchy name and maybe he can snag you then.

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"When they ask me who's the president of Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan I'm going to say you know, I don't know. Do you know? And then I'm going to say how's that going to create one job?"

- Herman Cain, in an interview with David Brody, saying he's ready for "gotcha questions" from the media.

source

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@Setanta,

If were depending on the press to do its homework were screwed!

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Not if he puts the same thought into foreign policy that he put into 9 9 9.

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Water Cooler Talk-
A colleague of mine offered a series of scenarios regarding the Tea Party supporters if Mitt Romney is nominated by the Republicans:
1) The Tea People will hold their noses and vote for Romney despite their belief that he may be a RINO with a history of flip-flops;
2) They may decide that, in order to be relevant on the national level, they should support the creation of 3rd party;
3) They could go for solidifying their gains in the House and Senate in 2012 and not really get involved in the Presidential race. She, my friend, thinks this is the most likely outcome.
4) Is the most curious. They hate Obama and don't like Romney. They could though, assuming they are successful in (3) above, hope for the reelection of Obama. Obama would likely have an accomplishment free 2nd term. And they would not have to face a Romney 2nd term challenge in 2016.
I reminded my friend that the TP has no leadership that we are aware of. She countered that, in her opinion, that may change.

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@realjohnboy,

Who that leader will be is a good $64 thousand dollar q.

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@realjohnboy,

Without question, #1

At this point the #1 goal of American conservatives is to replace Barack Obama in the White House.

If Romney wins the nomination (and I think he will) it will not be because the Tea Party has lost relevance. He is running on a Tea Party platform (or at least what he thinks is one)...they all are.

What it will mean is that the Tea Party wants Obama out more than the "perfect" Tea Party candidate in.

Besides, he will pick a Tea Party favorite for his running mate and seal the deal.

The only one of the candidates who might consider a 3rd Party campaign is Ron Paul, and he is not the "perfect" Tea Party candidate.

Does your friend have anyone in mind who might be poised to assume leadership of the Tea Party? I don't see anyone...certainly not Sarah Palin.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

you'll allow birther speakers, but don't want to let Sarah be your leader?

I think she epitomizes the movement...

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