cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 02:51 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
That graph puts terrorist activities in perspective. People don't equate Islamic violence vs all others; most don't keep track of domestic violence, and assume the wrong conclusions.
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parados
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 03:44 pm
@Brandon9000,
If only we could ignore the rest of Tribe's argument like you did. The first and fifth amendments clearly apply to anyone trying to enter the country.
Builder
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 05:24 pm
@parados,
I've heard it can be quite tough for single women with no real holiday agenda, to enter the US of A. Also, two of my work friends who are (were) regular visitors to the US are never going back, after being poked and probed by the TSA while on internal flights.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 05:44 pm
@Builder,
Can't be true; sexual harassment is a crime.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 06:47 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

I've heard it can be quite tough for single women with no real holiday agenda, to enter the US of A.


Quote:
A pop group has flown back to South Korea after officials in Los Angeles thought they might be sex workers.

The eight members were travelling to America for an album cover shoot but were detained for 15 hours in customs.

A statement from the group's record company, WM Entertainment, said authorities held them after going through their costumes and props.

"They seem to have mistaken them as sex workers," said a spokesman.

Oh My Girl, who formed in March, are thought to be back in South Korean capital Seoul after being released by officials at Los Angeles International Airport.
WM Entertainment says it is taking legal advice in the US to find out whether the band's detention was legal.

The record company also said there might have been an issue with the type of visa the band members presented.

They had also been booked to perform at a gala event in Los Angeles on Saturday.

It's unclear if they will try to return to America to complete their album cover shoot.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35071156/k-pop-group-oh-my-girl-detained-at-la-airport-on-suspicion-of-being-sex-workers
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 06:56 pm
@izzythepush,
I'm sure they have excellent photographers in South Korea.

What a bummer; being held on assumptions with no facts. They should sue.
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 07:42 pm
@revelette2,
I think this plays into the hands of the type of campaign Trump is running. Having a traditionally-garbed Muslim prince sticking his nose into American politics in the current climate would be a pretty potent last straw to send Trump fence-sitters to the polls.

I don't under-estimate the power of fear, indignation, and hate in Trump's potential constituency.

Trump should do a commercial with that guy's image and the quote.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 07:46 pm
@Lash,
Fear and ignorance are potent movers. Most Trump supporters do not have a good education.
Lash
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 07:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That is a fact.
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Builder
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 09:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What a bummer; being held on assumptions with no facts. They should sue.


You might have missed the Patriot Act, CI. Also the Prez recently signed off on a "bill" that means anyone can be arrested and incarcerated indefinitely without charge.

Quote:
Meanwhile the troubling NDAA provision first signed into law in 2012, which permits the military to detain individuals indefinitely without trial, remains on the books for 2014. Efforts to quash or reform the provision (especially with regard to the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens) have failed and have been fiercely fought by the administration. Most notably, a lawsuit filed by plaintiffs including journalist Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky and Daniel Ellsberg against the provision has been aggressively fought at every turn by the president’s attorneys. The plaintiffs argue that the NDAA provision constitutes a significant expansion of the laws regarding indefinite detention already established by Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF).


Story here...

So who you gonna call?
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 09:44 pm
@Builder,
Nothing to do with the Patriot Act.
Builder
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 09:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So you didn't read the info I posted, and your cognitive dissonance is still a problem for you?

Quote;[In the United States, indefinite detention has been used to hold terror suspects during the War on Terror. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, section 412 of the USA PATRIOT act permits indefinite detention of immigrants;[9] one of the most highly publicized cases has been that of Jose Padilla,[10] whose ultimate prosecution and conviction in the United States have also been highly controversial. The indefinite detention of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay has been called a violation of international law by the United Nations, the International Committee of the Red Cross, and Human Rights Watch.[11][12][13][14][15]

On November 29, 2011, the United States Senate rejected a proposed amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 ("NDAA") that would have banned indefinite detention by the United States government of its own citizens,[8] leading to criticism that Habeas corpus in the United States has been undermined.[16][17] Congress and Senate approved the National Defense Authorization Act in December 2011 and President Barack Obama signed it December 31, 2011.[18] The new indefinite detention provision of the law was decried as a "historic assault on American liberty."[19] The American Civil Liberties Union stated that “President Obama's action today is a blight on his legacy because he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law.”[20]

From wiki....
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 10:07 pm
@Builder,
The US is guilty of ignoring international law. So, what else is new?
Builder
 
  1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 10:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
So, what else is new?


The days of shrugging about it are nearing an end.

You think it can go on like it has forever?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 10:58 pm
@Builder,
Nearing an end? ROFLMAO
Builder
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 11:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Have you been doing a Rumplestilskin, CI?

Or still using Fox as a news source?

0 Replies
 
Builder
 
  2  
Sat 12 Dec, 2015 11:25 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
The record company also said there might have been an issue with the type of visa the band members presented.


No mention of the chronic corruption endemic in the TSA? Hmmm, selective reporting here.

But, according to CI, there's no way there could be gender bias, race bias, or even religious bias, anywhere in the good ol' US of A.

Against the law, an' awl, ya know? 'Gains't the con-sta-tooshun.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 13 Dec, 2015 12:25 pm
@Builder,
Is that all you can include on bias? LOL
Why didn't you include in your 'chronic corruption endemic' all federal, state, and local governments? Also, don't forget all the police departments.
Whatcha gonna do about it?
Brandon9000
 
  -1  
Sun 13 Dec, 2015 12:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The BBC reported on 20 January 2015:

...

A graphiv from the New York Times, published this afternoon:
Quote:

http://i64.tinypic.com/ndsvhe.jpg



Looking at this graph, it appears to me that the number of terror related deaths caused by Islamic extremists is approximately equal to the number from all other groups combined.
cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Sun 13 Dec, 2015 12:31 pm
@Brandon9000,
No shyt!
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