Builder
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2015 03:33 am
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Trump is going to get slaughtered by Hillary I keep hearing.


The international joke is that those two are the best that America can come up with, out of 330 million people.
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2015 03:00 pm
Clinton outdoes (Trump) 61% to 34% among Latino voters in this poll

http://perezhilton.com/2015-12-07-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-presidential-poll-head-to-head-numbers-campaign-2016-winner#.VmXxUbgrLnA

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/publications/2012HispanicVoting.png

THe author at Perzhilton seems to have no clue that a R POTUS candidate drawing 34% is pretty outstanding given recent history, but this idiot aside I am sure that once again many on the Left are flummoxed by how well Trump is doing. I mean his stump speech goes " I am going to build a wall, a GREAT BIG WALL, and everyone who is here ILLEGALLY! is going on the other side. THey are OUT OF HERE!" and yet he has 34% of thee hispanic vote against Hillary.

https://flamingbagofpoo.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/inconceivable.jpg

ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 03:09 pm
@parados,
Was your question ever answered?
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2015 03:20 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

Was your question ever answered?


Yes, when I said that the only minority Trump has even approached attacking are muslims, which is justified until/unless the jihad against us is ended. Attacking minority groups is only one way to practice divisive politics, and my assertions that the Clinton's did it as standard practice is correct. I say dont crap on Trump for practicing divisive politics when we have been ding it for a long time, and dont do it unless you can prove Trump wrong that he needs to do it to get the R nomination. You have to get made before you can do good works, which Trump understands.

That said if Trump did not change gears for the general and become more of a unifier I would drop him. He will however, because he is a moderate and because he wants to Make America Great Again and believes that the only way to get this done is for America to come together, which is says often even now. ...which I have said before.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 03:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
I'll bite. What part of tRump is moderate?
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 03:28 pm
@Builder,
I know and how to explain it: it really is all about the money.
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BillRM
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2015 03:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Yes, when I said that the only minority Trump has even approached attacking are muslims, which is justified until/unless the jihad against us is ended


It Justified to attacked a billions people due to them sharing the same religion as some terrorists? In fact a large percents of those Muslims are more of a target of those terrorists then we are.


bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 04:02 pm
@BillRM,
Good points, Bill. Ask him to explain invading Serb Christians massacring Bosnian Muslims and massacring Croation Christians. Invading another country - Muslim and raping and killing thousands of Kosavars.
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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2015 04:05 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

I'll bite. What part of tRump is moderate?


Just off the top of my head:

Social security
Medicare
single payer healthcare
legal pot
government supported planned parenthood
he believes in the equality of the sexes and in empowering women
believes that his religious views are none of our business
constantly claims that America does not work until we come together and work together
Has a distaste for the tribal warfare of our current political system
He has spent his entire life working in a D city, successfully. He will work with anyone, even the mob if he has too. He plays by what ever rules are in place and turns the table to his advantage, which is the definition of a moderate, he does not insist that everyone plays by his rules, or the rules of his tribe.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 04:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
There's a lot vacuous nothings on that list so lets pick one:

Quote:
he believes in the equality of the sexes and in empowering women


Considering his remarks on and about women, point out any details he's listed anywhere on he how he'd facilitate "equality of the sexes and .... empowering women".
parados
 
  5  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 04:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
Your assertion is correct why? Because you have presented not a single piece of evidence in support of it?

When did the Clinton's attack a minority? What minority? What did they say? When did they say it? Where can I find it in a reputable news source?
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 04:57 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

There's a lot vacuous nothings on that list so lets pick one:

Quote:
he believes in the equality of the sexes and in empowering women


Considering his remarks on and about women, point out any details he's listed anywhere on he how he'd facilitate "equality of the sexes and .... empowering women".


I have not seen anything anti women. He loves women, he loves to be around women, he loves to look at good looking women, He is honest that for a woman having good looks is an advantage in life. Nothing wrong with any of that. caring about whether people look good is supposed be a crime now but most people do it, and I see nothing wrong with that either. Using language indicating that women are sexual objects is a crime according to the feminists too, but sexually objectifying the objects of our desire is again normal, and we should always try to speak truth. This goes hand in hand with his war against PC culture.

Did you notice Melania saying that she has not been on the trail much so far because she does not want to be at this point? That is that kind of relationship this guy has with his squeeze, she does not need to do what other political wives do, she does what she wants to do, and she said that Donald has not pressured her at all to change her mind. That is my kind of guy, that is a guy who respects women.

I do suspect that there was some domestic violence between him and Ivan, but that is between them, and I have not heard his other wives make the complaint so maybe he learned something.


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hawkeye10
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2015 05:24 pm
@parados,
Quote:
When did the Clinton's attack a minority?

I never said that they did. Their brand of divisive politics have always skewed more towards attacking the majority but that was not my claim either. I said they practice divisive politics, and if I did not say it then I will say it now, they only sometimes divide up their constituencies by race and play them off of each other, other times is is based upon class, other times it is based up region, other times it is based up urban/rural, other times it is by religion. What ever works to play one group off the other to get what they want is their policy, they have never been interested in being unifiers, rarely do they ever bother to claim to be either, for good reason.

I will give you two though, one dividing by race and one by sex, both Hillary since she is the most relevant, you can do the rest of the research yourself:

Quote:
 Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson wrote that “it’s surprising that the Clinton campaign has been so aggressive in keeping the race issue alive.” He postulated a few theories. “The charitable explanation would be that the Clintons are, in terms of their political position, simply disoriented,” Robinson wrote. “They are accustomed to Bill Clinton’s campaigns, in which African American support was pretty much assumed.” Yet there were two less charitable theories as well. “It could be that the idea is to engage Obama in so much tit-for-tat combat that his image as a new kind of post-partisan politician is tarnished.” Then Robinson came to the Sister Souljah proposition. “Is it possible that accusing Obama and his campaign of playing the race card might create doubt in the minds of the moderate, independent white voters who now seem so enamored of the young black senator?”

Indeed, after flinging mud at Obama for weeks, the Clintons turned the tables and claimed to be the victims of misguided, racially tinged attacks–coming from Obama! Bill alleged that the Obama campaign had called Hillary “a racist.” Congressman John Lewis, a civil rights pioneer and Clinton supporter, cited “a deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of some people in the Obama camp to really fan the flame of race and really try to distort what Senator Clinton said.” Added Charlie Rangel: “How race got into this thing is because Obama said ‘race.'” (Rangel also accused Obama of writing about his adolescent drug experimentation in order to “sell books.”)

The confrontation seemed to be helping neither candidate, which is likely why Obama called a truce and Clinton accepted. The hope is that from now on, as evidenced by the surprisingly civil debate in Nevada, the Democratic campaign will stay above the fray. But don’t count on it. Hillary hasn’t had a “Sister Souljah” moment, but she also might not need one. Courting African-American voters, in South Carolina and elsewhere, and accusing the Obama campaign of playing the race card while employing racial arguments against Obama–by her campaign and by unscripted surrogates–could be seen as a textbook example of Clinton-style triangulation.

http://www.thenation.com/article/racial-politics-clinton-style/

Quote:
On social media, Clinton’s campaign made the new line—“When women talk, some people think we’re shouting”— her message of the day. Her team posted it on her Twitter feed at 8:30 Friday morning, two hours before her speech to the DNC forum, as a rebuke to “those who tell her to ‘stop shouting’ on issues that matter.” The quote also went up on her Facebook page and her campaign website, under the headline, “Hillary Clinton Just Said Something Women Have Been Thinking for Years.” The next day, at a Democratic dinner in Iowa, Clinton repeated the applause line: “I’ve been told to stop shouting about ending gun violence. Well, I haven’t been shouting. But sometimes, when a woman speaks out, some people think it’s shouting. But I won’t be silenced, and I hope you won’t be either.”

Clinton doesn’t use Sanders’ name when she tells this story. She doesn’t have to: Everyone who saw the debate or heard about it knows she’s talking about him. She’s using the story to bond with women, to paint Sanders as a patronizing old fart, and to portray herself as a victim.

Let’s be clear: This isn’t what happened. During the debate exchange, Sanders answered O’Malley with the same point about “raising our voices.” Sanders has been giving this answer for years. He did it in July, after an O’Malley super PAC ad attacked him (“We have been yelling and screaming at each other about guns for decades,” said Sanders). He did it again in August, after a male surrogate for Clinton attacked him (“I can get beyond the noise and all of these arguments and people shouting at each other”). He did it again in October, after the mass shooting in Roseburg, Oregon (“People on both sides of this issue cannot simply continue shouting at each other”). Sanders gives this answer to everyone.

The charitable explanation of Clinton’s behavior is that she sincerely perceived Sanders’ rebuke during the debate as sexist. But if that were true, you’d expect her to have said so in her first accounts of the exchange. She didn’t. She waited more than a week before embellishing the story. She prepared it as a sound bite for social media, and she unveiled it at a women’s forum. And it worked, so she’s still using it.

Enough. Sanders’ record as a feminist is as good as Clinton’s. No honest reading of his career or his comments about guns can construe him as a sexist. Clinton is trying to connect with women who have felt bullied by men, and to turn them against Sanders, by smearing him. And what’s true of racism and anti-Semitism is just as true of sexism: The more seriously you take the real thing, the more you should revile people who use it as a fraud.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/10/hillary_clinton_is_smearing_bernie_sanders_as_a_sexist_it_s_an_insult_to.html
parados
 
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Mon 7 Dec, 2015 05:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
You might want to go to a real site that bothers to actually look at the numbers. Using Perez Hilton for your poll results says a lot about you.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/clinton-leads-2016-match-ups-carson-rubio-run-closest-n474591
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parados
 
  4  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 05:44 pm
@hawkeye10,
So when Bill accuses someone of calling Hillary a racist that is an example of them dividing the constituency?

Which constituency are they playing against another? Geez. Trying to get the African American support is dividing them from which group?
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Lash
 
  0  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 06:09 pm
@parados,
When Bill worked to create the prison for profit machine in this country and followed up with three strikes.
Lash
 
  0  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 06:16 pm
Slate.

A bit.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2008/01/the_clinton_fallacy.html

More.

http://www.usprisonculture.com/blog/2012/04/24/bill-clinton-was-incredibly-destructive-for-black-people/
Lash
 
  0  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 06:22 pm
@Lash,
Bill and Hillary Clinton are ******* racists who use and excuse blacks as they are useful to them - and goddamn - they have been useful to them.

Ask #BLM what they think of Hillary Clinton. I'm thankful that voting bloc is waking up to the reality of the Clintons.
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hawkeye10
 
  0  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 06:23 pm
Quote:
Donald Trump made a drastic call on Monday for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
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.
,
Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski clarified that the ban would apply to "everyone," including tourists, according to ABC. He also noted that Trump would discuss it further in a speech Monday night in Mount Pleasant, S.C


http://www.npr.org/2015/12/07/458836388/trump-calls-for-total-and-complete-shutdown-of-muslims-entering-u-s

I would need to hear more to have an opinion. How long is this pause supposed to last? How do we know the religion of people who want to come? When we have porous borders how do was keeps muslims out as a practical matter?

Trump sure does not like my advice to tone things down during the holiday season.

Quote:
"Great surveillance and vigilance must be adhered to," said Trump in an additional statement Lewandowski provided to CNN. "We want to be very fair but too many bad things are happening and the percentage of true hatred is too great. People that are looking to destroy our country must be reported and turned in by the good people who love our country and want America to be great again."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/

Considering that we at the moment too often cant get blacks in the hood to report crime I dont like our chances.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Mon 7 Dec, 2015 09:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
I notice that where as Google had Trump as "Reality TV Star" and had one of those goofy pics of him in full fury on stage he is now "Business Magnate" and the pic is him looking smug on stage. We are now about 75% of the way towards them treating him decently, fairly.
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