cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 11:42 am
@revelette2,
Also, one nice attraction in Moscow are the subway stations. So anybody planning to go to Moscow should use the subway station to see it. There's also a GUM store across the street from Red Square that people should visit. The two art galleries I visited were the Tretyakov and Pushkin. They were both excellent, and I highly recommend them.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 11:46 am
@nimh,
Went to a concert in St Petersburg at the Mariinsky Concert Hall, and the best singer in Russia sang one song. He was supposed to sing more, but he had a cold. It was so beautiful, I had tears. Also was able to visit the Hermitage art museum, and they have a good collection of impressionist paintings. The art is located to the left from the entrance going back of the building.
AC14747
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:03 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Why are you calling me names???
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Pictures of Moscow's subway stations.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=picture+of+moscow's+subway+stations&qpvt=picture+of+moscow%27s+subway+stations&qpvt=picture+of+moscow%27s+subway+stations&qpvt=picture+of+moscow%27s+subway+stations&FORM=IGRE
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:13 pm
@McGentrix,
Well I;ve heard and am trying to confirm: the moron who did it punched three people and has been fired from his job at a realty company. He is deplorable either way. I watched your videos, will you watch this one:

nimh
 
  1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:15 pm
@Builder,
This doesn't actually necessarily refute Blickers' point. There's a lot of people in Russia; its population is over twice that of Germany. So the Russian auto market overtaking Germany's might not mean as much as you make it out to be.

Your own link says this:

Quote:
There are only 290 cars per 1,000 Russians versus 560 in western Europe and many of those vehicles are old


That would seem to prove Blickers right. Another way to measure it is by household, which makes things look a little better. According to a Pew survey, 55% of Russian households owns a car. But that compares with 85% of German and 88% American households.
bobsal u1553115
 
  4  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:15 pm
@AC14747,
What ever happened to 'yes or no'?

I don't care, just curious.
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:26 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I watched your video and see nothing about what you speak of. I saw a guy that doesn't know the truth of the matter repeating a lie going around the internet today. He was very well spoken though. His lies are almost pleasant but in no way do they have a grain of truth behind them.

You claim you watched the videos I posted earlier. Did you see how the protester had basically made a tunnel that people leaving the Trump rally had to walk through listening to the shrill voices and screams at them? One thing I can you about most Trump supporters is that they basically want to be left alone. Either by government or dumb ass protesters.

I can absolutely, 100% guarantee you one thing. Had that 69 year old, oxygen wearing lady not snuck up on a 74 year old half blind guy that just had to wade through the worse humanity has to offer and grab him by the shoulder, she wouldn't have been put on the ground.

Do you agree with that?
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McGentrix
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:27 pm
@nimh,
Nimh, what does any of that have to do with the people that do own cars having dash cams in them? That was Blickers supposed point which had nothing to do with anything.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:28 pm
@nimh,
Quote:
88% American households

Many in our neighborhood owns two cars per family, and some three like our neighbor. Most of the cars are Toyota, Honda, Lexus and BMWs.
I have an Acura and my wife owns a Honda.
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AC14747
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:42 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Yes or no what? You're the one calling me a gooey boy , which I'm guessing is some anti conservative pejorative.
Blickers
 
  3  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:44 pm
@Builder,
Quote Blickers:
Quote:
Most people in Russia can't afford to pay attention, let alone a car loan.


Quote Builder:
Quote:
Still got those blinkers on, I see....


Nick Gibbs
Automotive News Europe
July 19, 2013 08:59 CET -- UPDATED: July 19 13:33 CET - adds detail, quotes

MOSCOW -- The Russian auto market will overcome its current slump and overtake Germany to become the largest in Europe - and the fifth biggest globally - by 2020 as car ownership increases, a Boston Consulting Group study said.

Western carmakers including General Motors, Volkswagen, Ford Motor and Renault have invested heavily in Russia on expectations that the market will grow as a rising middle class buy cars for the first time or upgrade aging models.(end quote)


What a laugh. So as of 2013, Russia still had not overtaken Germany in number of people buying cars. Dude, Russia has nearly twice Germany's population. That means that percentagewise, less than half as many Russians as Germans can afford to buy a car in 2013. Since even in wealthy Germany not everyone can afford to buy a car, that means that Russia has considerably less than half the population able to afford an auto. So the idea that the average Russian has a car has been shown to be foolishly inaccurate-but expected from you.

For someone who pretends to expertise in international economics, it's rather embarrassing for you to miss these things.

Moreover, please note the date of of the report you are quoting-2013. That was the year before Russia's economy crashed due to the price of oil-Russia's main product-going down sharply and the US and EU sanctions. Russia went into a depression from which it has not recovered, and as a result most of the wealthier people in Russia are moving out of the country. London is a favorite destination:
Quote:
Like several elite cities around the world, London is a favored destination for foreign money to escape political or economic hazards at home.

"Russians have been purchasing some of the biggest and most expensive homes here since at least the early 1990s," said Grigorev, a tall, dapper Russian-speaking Estonian.

After the Soviet Union collapsed 24 years ago, many of Russia's state-owned industries were privatized, creating vast wealth for the lucky few.

"The biggest wave began in 2012, when more political instability in Russia started, and that also coincided with a worsening economy there," Grigorev said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/05/31/london-russians-property/25864203/

The few people in Russia who can afford to buy a new car are leaving the country, the people left behind live in a depression ridden economic backwater. And no, most of them are not driving a car.

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Blickers
 
  6  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:50 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
Nimh, what does any of that have to do with the people that do own cars having dash cams in them? That was Blickers supposed point which had nothing to do with anything.

It has everything to do with it, because you did not say most Russians wealthy enough to afford cars have dash cams, you said "That's why everyone in Russia has a dash cam now."

Which implies that most Russians, like most Americans, Germans, British and other First Worlders, are able to afford a car to put the dash cam on. Which is baloney, most Russians can't afford a car.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 12:53 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
Nimh, what does any of that have to do with the people that do own cars having dash cams in them? That was Blickers supposed point which had nothing to do with anything.

It has everything to do with it, because you did not say most Russians wealthy enough to afford cars have dash cams, you said most Russians have dash cams in their cars.

Which implies that most Russians, like most Americans, Germans, British and other First Worlders, are able to afford a car. Which is baloney, the Russians can't.


Why Almost Everyone in Russia Has a Dash Cam

Why do you feel the need to be so hostile and specific about something so inconsequential? It was a passing comment that you attacked like a starving dog.
revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 01:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No offense truly, but I haven't been anywhere, if by some chance I do, by the sounds of it reading on this thread (plus, it is cold there isn't it?) there are probably a lot nicer places to visit first. I have often thought about it, and I really don't know where I would like to go. I used to want to visit Jerusalem but now, not so much. Probably Paris then London.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 01:47 pm
@revelette2,
I would recommend London first, but did you know that there are tours that includes both cities. The Chunnel is a good experience.
On one of my many trips to that part of the world, on a train from Paris to London, I met a gentleman on the train, and I asked him what place between the two cities is worth a visit, and he said "Brugges." I stayed there for two days, and really enjoyed my visit there.
Blickers
 
  5  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 02:02 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
Quote:
Why Almost Everyone in Russia Has a Dash Cam

Why do you feel the need to be so hostile and specific about something so inconsequential? It was a passing comment that you attacked like a starving dog.

Because Russia has an internet troll agency centered in St. Petersburg, Russia, specifically for the purpose of running down the West, especially the USA, and supporting the policies of the Russian government. They not only exaggerate how high the living standards are in Russia, (you would expect that), they make it a constant theme that the economy of the West is based on "fiat currency" which cannot last, that the Western economies are in their last throes before the Great Fall, and that evil forces centered in the US and the UK are behind all this, while Putin heroically stands against it all.

Amazingly, many on the US right hate Obama so much that they are actually believing this junk. Of course, the Western economies are slowly coming back to form after the recession, but even during the recession the standard of living in those economies was far, far ahead of the near-Third-World conditions that are normal for Russia. I really don't care that you managed to dig up a Wired magazine article that had that title, most people in Russia don't have dash cams because most people in Russia don't have cars, and given the present state of political affairs, I thought it was worth setting straight.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 02:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I don't remember it being cold, but I always prepare myself by bringing layers of clothing.
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revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 02:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You should consider writing your memoirs with the help of your wife, it would be interesting, truly.
Builder
 
  -1  
Thu 15 Sep, 2016 03:03 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
It was a passing comment that you attacked like a starving dog.


That's why I call him Blinkers. Can't see past the end of his nose.
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