bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 7 Sep, 2016 10:39 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Mr. Trump was quite clear that he thought Mr. Putin was a better leader than Mr. Obama.


He said it explicitly.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Wed 7 Sep, 2016 10:42 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Rumsfeld 'helped Iraq get chemical weapons'

By WILLIAM LOWTHER, Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html

US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld helped Saddam Hussein build up his arsenal of deadly chemical and biological weapons, it was revealed last night.

As an envoy from President Reagan 19 years ago, he had a secret meeting with the Iraqi dictator and arranged enormous military assistance for his war with Iran.

The CIA had already warned that Iraq was using chemical weapons almost daily. But Mr Rumsfeld, at the time a successful executive in the pharmaceutical industry, still made it possible for Saddam to buy supplies from American firms.

They included viruses such as anthrax and bubonic plague, according to the Washington Post.

The extraordinary details have come to light because thousands of State Department documents dealing with the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war have just been declassified and released under the Freedom of Information Act.

At the very least, it is highly embarrassing for 70-year-old Mr Rumsfeld, who is the most powerful and vocal of all the hawks surrounding President Bush.

He bitterly condemns Saddam as a ruthless and brutal monster and frequently backs up his words by citing the use of the very weapons which it now appears he helped to supply.

The question is: Why has he never said anything about his role in the negotiations?

'Donald Rumsfeld has some explaining to do,' a senior Pentagon official said last night, while Congressional sources said that a Senate Committee was considering opening hearings to investigate exactly what happened.

The documents could hardly have been released at a worse time for Mr Rumsfeld, who is building up troops in the Gulf in preparation for a war with Iraq that is generally expected to start in about a month.

They will also embarrass Tony Blair as he attempts to build international support for military action.

And they will cause a headache for the Foreign Office, because the news will be seen by Islamic countries as a prime example of American hypocrisy over the issue.

For years Middle Eastern countries have accused the US of double-talk over Iraq. They are bitterly critical that the American government helped arm Saddam during the 1980s in a war against Iran, which at that time Washington regarded as its biggest enemy in the region.

America's critics are now disgusted by the way the administration has performed a somersault, and now expects them to agree that Saddam's regime should be treated as a pariah.

This will make it even harder to persuade neighbouring states to offer Western troops bases and landing strips vital for such an onslaught.

But one thing was clear last night - President Bush will not let the embarrassment prevent him from forging ahead with his plans to attack Baghdad, and if that does happen Mr Blair will have no choice but to join him in the attack.

It was in late 1983 that Ronald Reagan made Mr Rumsfeld his envoy as the Iranians gained the upper hand in their war with Iraq.

Terrified that the Iranian Islamic revolution would spread through the Gulf and into Saudi Arabia - threatening US oil supplies - Mr Reagan sent Mr Rumsfeld to prop up Saddam and keep the Iranian militants within their own borders.

The State Department documents show that Mr Rumsfeld flew to Baghdad where he had a 90-minute meeting with Saddam followed by a much longer session with foreign minister Tariq Aziz.

'It was a horrible mistake,' former CIA military analyst Kenneth Pollack said last night.

'We were warning at the time that Hussein was a very nasty character. We were constantly fighting the State Department.'

On November 1, 1983, a full month before Mr Rumsfeld's visit to Baghdad, Secretary of State George Shultz was officially informed that the CIA had discovered Iraqi troops were resorting to 'almost daily use of chemical weapons' against the Iranians.

Nevertheless, Mr Rumsfeld arranged for the Iraqis to receive billions of pounds in loans to buy weapons and CIA Director William Casey used a Chilean front company to supply Iraq with cluster bombs.

According to the Washington Post, a Senate committee investigating the relationship between the US and Iraq discovered that in the mid-1980s - following the Rumsfeld visit - dozens of biological agents were shipped to Iraq under licence from the Commerce Department.

They included anthrax, subsequently identified by the Pentagon as a key component of the Iraqi biological warfare programme.

The newspaper says: 'The Commerce Department also approved the export of insecticides to Iraq, despite widespread suspicions that they were being used for chemical warfare.'

At the time of his meeting with Saddam, Mr Rumsfeld was working for Searle - a company which dealt only in medicinal pharmaceuticals.

Both he and Searle made all their money from the distribution of a cardiovascular drug.

Under no circumstances did he or Searle have any connection to the production of chemicals which would have been sold to Saddam.

And no one in the US has ever suggested that Mr Rumsfeld had any personal interest at stake in the Iraq meetings.

The Defence Secretary was making no comment last night.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html#ixzz4JdVuDzgX
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Blickers
 
  4  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 12:06 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote Finn:
Quote:
I didn't think Matt had it in him, but apparently his first question posed to Clinton was pretty tough

I agree. Pity that Lauer didn't have the stones to ask Trump about how he didn't think McCain was any kind of hero for being shot down and surviving a Vietnamese jail. Also about Trump comparing his wild sex days of the seventies with the names on the Vietnam Memorial.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 05:33 am
@Blickers,
Or that he "always wanted a purple heart".
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revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 06:05 am
@ossobucotemp,
Quote:
Also there is the matter of the news itself - wasn't that CNN admitting to soft peddling.


Not to mention CNN extreme conflict of interest with Corey Lewandowski.
maporsche
 
  3  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 07:29 am
@giujohn,
Gary Johnson will receive 2% of the actual vote but if you ask your friends you'd think 40% of America voted for him
woiyo
 
  0  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 07:52 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Under Clinton's leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure -- derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) -- represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation, resulting in a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration. These extra sales were part of a broad increase in American military exports that accompanied Obama’s arrival in the White House. The 143 percent increase in U.S. arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors compares to an 80 percent increase in such sales to all countries over the same time period.

American defense contractors also donated to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state and in some cases made personal payments to Bill Clinton for speaking engagements. Such firms and their subsidiaries were listed as contractors in $163 billion worth of Pentagon-negotiated deals that were authorized by the Clinton State Department between 2009 and 2012.

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 07:54 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

The clips I'm hearing from tonight's debate are something else. Still shaking my head.

Mr. Trump was quite clear that he thought Mr. Putin was a better leader than Mr. Obama.


Alfred E Neuman would be a better leader than Obama
giujohn
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 07:56 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Trump wants to lead like the tyrant Putin, as a king, not an elected president.

Obama said that he didn't want to be a king either but he ended up doing it when he disregarded the Constitution and legislated by executive Fiat
izzythepush
 
  4  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 07:59 am
@giujohn,
Just googled him, he doesn't half look like a young Trump.

Obama has done a pretty good job, but after Dubya's disastrous presidency he could have spent the entire 8 years smoking reefer and he would still be significantly better than his predecessor.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 08:00 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
he disregarded the Constitution and legislated by executive Fiat


You mean one of these?

http://www.dearcars.com/img/catalog/gallery/fiat/132.png
giujohn
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 08:07 am
The one thing that was clearly evident last night was that while Hillary was attempting to dance on the head of a pin by using her weaselly lawyer tactics when answering the question from the veteran about her exposing secrets with her emails she proved that she was a liar when she said that none of the e-mails had any headers indicating their classification level. What this does is corroborate prior emails that instructed staffers to strip the headers from the classified documents because what the FBI said was while the emails did not contain the headers the emails did contain classified information so the question remains if the information was classified how did it get on her server... answer somebody stripped the headers.

And then there's the email exchange between her and Colin Powell where they were committing a federal crime by conspiring to circumvent national security policy... They should both be investigated and brought before a grand jury... Because it is clear from her emails her intention was to skirt the regulations and establish a scheme the transmit classified information without any scrutiny. More evidence that she is a liar.
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 08:11 am
@izzythepush,
You're not far off the mark there Izzy... I would liken Obama to a slimy used car salesman using bait-and-switch tactics
Blickers
 
  3  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 08:26 am
@izzythepush,
Quote giujohn:
Quote:
he disregarded the Constitution and legislated by executive Fiat

Quote Izzy:
Quote:
You mean one of these?


http://www.dearcars.com/img/catalog/gallery/fiat/132.png

Nope, more like one of these. It's a Fiat 124 of the 1960s still manufactured in Russia today and called the Lada 2107. No kidding-the Russian auto industry can only copy Western automotive technology of the 1960s, they can't advance it at all.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/Fiat%20124%20Lada%202105_zpswq7md6wy.jpg
When you buy one, an 8-Track tape player comes optional at extra charge.

Russia isn't competent enough to make a modern car-but Putin is competent enough to make Trump implement Russia's foreign policy and have the US break up NATO.
izzythepush
 
  5  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 08:51 am
@giujohn,
Funny how only Republicans and the leaders of non allied countries think that. He's incredibly popular with America's allies, (with the possible exception of Israel.)

Then again, after Bush he'd be hard pressed to be more unpopular.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 08:52 am
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
When you buy one, an 8-Track tape player comes optional at extra charge.


That could well be a selling point. People may be buying it just for that.
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 09:01 am
@izzythepush,
Hey that's great... Why don't you see if you can invite him to come live in Britain and maybe run for prime minister... He's all yours
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 09:06 am
@giujohn,
How would he go about running for prime minister? Tell me the steps he'd have to go through.

glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 09:23 am
@izzythepush,
I can't wait to hear this, go on gooey, explain to Izzy.
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Thu 8 Sep, 2016 10:53 am
@izzythepush,
Considering I could give a rat's ass about British politics... If you guys love him so much I'm sure you'll be able to find some special dispensation so that you can worship him over there as your new leader
 

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