ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 02:03 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

The official said that if they were still working at the U.S. Secret Service, they would contact someone on Trump’s campaign staff to have a conversation about whether he understands the consequences of that rhetoric.


the Secret Service is keeping busy with all things Trump

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-violent-rhetoric-history-226873

Quote:
In May, the Secret Service investigated Donald Trump’s butler over a Facebook post saying that President Barack Obama “should be shot as an enemy agent.”
Secret Service agents also interviewed a Trump campaign adviser last month, after he said that Hillary Clinton “should be put in the firing line and shot for treason.”



from Politico's Secret Service stream

http://www.politico.com/news/secret-service
ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 02:04 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Hey Cyclo, good to see you drop in.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 05:05 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
That might be a good point, since Trump is 10 to 15 points behind Clinton now depending on the poll. We can wait and see if it stays in that range or the number becomes larger.
I'm not sure what other actions the average joe can take at this point in time. Election date is closing in very quickly.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 05:14 pm
@revelette2,
Come on. Clinton never said she wanted to abolish the second amendment. She said she wanted to enforce regulations on gun sellers and buyers. How does that abolish the second amendment?
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 05:16 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
If donald trump doesn't know what the second amendment says, he's unqualified to be president.
snood
 
  2  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 06:10 pm
DAY-ummm! I had to show what this NYT article says about Trump today.

Excerpt(Bolded mine):

People are playing with fire here, and there is no bigger flamethrower than Donald Trump. Forget politics; he is a disgusting human being. His children should be ashamed of him. I only pray that he is not simply defeated, but that he loses all 50 states so that the message goes out across the land — unambiguously, loud and clear: The likes of you should never come this way again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/opinion/trumps-ambiguous-wink-wink-to-second-amendment-people.html?_r=0
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 06:12 pm
@snood,
That will probably never happen, because even the likes of Trump has a following. It's less than 35%, but it's still a significant following.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/247967-poll-trumps-popularity-soars-with-republicans

With Republicans, he's favored by 57%. That's yuge!
snood
 
  2  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 06:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah, but I hope he loses YUGEly
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 08:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Come on. Clinton never said she wanted to abolish the second amendment.

She has said she wants new laws that would wantonly violate it.

She has said she will appoint judges who will allow it to be wantonly violated.

A vote for Trump is a vote to preserve our Constitution.
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 08:31 pm
@oralloy,
No. She wants to enforce the laws already in place. To make sure sellers and buyers of guns have the authority.

You,
Quote:
She has said she will appoint judges who will allow it to be wantonly violated.


Provide factual evidence for this idiotic claim.

Trying to have a discussion with you is like talking with Trump. Politifact has shown that Trump lies 91% of the time. You too!

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html
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RABEL222
 
  4  
Wed 10 Aug, 2016 10:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It seems a lot of the 2nd amendment advocates dont really know what it says. Especially when the courts disagree with their interpretations. I cant wait for a liberal court to work on the 2nd amendment. One of the reasons along with the corporations are people finding that I want a democratic president.
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"edit'" and Senate.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 05:08 am
@ehBeth,
tRump claims the SS hasn't talked to him about his "2nd Amendment" kerfuffle.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/763477408909500416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Trump Denies Secret Service 'Spoke' to Him About 2nd Amendment Comment

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/10/trump-denies-secret-service-spoke-to-him/

A CNN report cited a Secret Service official who said the agency has spoken to Trump's campaign.
Bethania Palma


Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is denying a 10 August 2016 report by CNN that his campaign has been spoken to by the Secret Service over remarks he made about "Second Amendment people" stopping his presidential rival Hillary Clinton from picking a Supreme Court justice.

"There has been more than one conversation" on the topic, the source reportedly told CNN, to which Trump's campaign responded that Trump had no intention of inciting violence.

Trump made the comments at a North Carolina rally on 9 August 2016, in which he implied that if elected, Hillary Clinton would stack the high court with anti-gun judges: "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know."

Trump replied to the CNN story by denying on Twitter that such a meeting ever took place.

Reuters reported that a government official said the Secret Service did not "formally" speak to the Trump campaign. Whatever the nature of the alleged "talks," the Secret Service made it clear they took note of Trump's comment:

This incident is far from the first controversial statement from the real estate mogul-turned-politician. In July 2016, Trump found himself at the center of criticism for encouraging Russian hackers to "find the 30,000 emails that are missing" from Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State.

More recently, Trump grabbed headlines by saying he wanted to retaliate against speakers attacking him at the Democratic National Convention and "hit them back so hard." While Trump uses the term "hit" as a euphemism for verbal attacks, the violent imagery dovetailed with incidents of physical violence at some of his rallies and prompted some advisers to request that he tone down his rhetoric.

It's a request Trump said he has no intention of honoring.

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Originally published: 10 August 2016

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Bethania Palma


Bethania Palma Markus is a journalist from the Los Angeles area who has covered everything from city hall to crime to national politics. She started as a staff writer for the Los Angeles Newspaper Group and wrote for a variety of publications including the LAist, the OC Weekly, LA School Report, Truthout and The Raw Story.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 05:22 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 05:38 am
Trump’s 2nd Amendment comment wasn’t a joke. It was "stochastic terrorism."

Last edited Thu Aug 11, 2016, 07:14 PM - Edit history (4)
... a very important article about how Trump is laying the groundwork for idiots to commit violent acts. Acts of terrorism grow out of a sense of victimization and self-pity which provides a rationalization for striking out at those who have treated the self pitying 'victim' so badly. Trump is a classic demagogue. He is just taking the anti-Government rhetoric that Raygun started and beating that drum more relentlessly. No one should be surprised if some loser 'elevates' himself from being a loser to a martyr fighting the evil one who has beaten him down and is the reason he's feels so inadequate.


http://www.vox.com/2016/8/10/12422476/trump-second-amendment-hillary-stochastic-terrorism-anti-abortion-violence
Many saw Donald Trump’s latest shocking comment, about how "Second Amendment people" might be able to do something to stop Hillary Clinton from picking the Supreme Court judges she wants, as beyond the pale. Whether or not it was a joke, the implication of his comment is pretty clear: that gun owners could use their weapons to stop either Clinton herself or liberal judges from implementing gun control.

The explicit-sounding call to violence is bad enough. But even worse is that, intentionally or not, Trump has been laying the groundwork for this idea for a while. From his talk of "rigged elections" to his suggestion that we need Russia to hack Clinton’s emails if the Justice Department won’t indict her, Trump’s message is clear: Clinton is so corrupt, and the system that favors her is so broken, that our ordinary democratic and legal processes aren’t equipped to handle it. She should be thrown in jail, but she probably won’t be.

It’s a pretty short step from that idea to violent fantasies of going outside the law for real justice — even from official sources like the Republican Party of Riverside County, California, which recently tweeted a picture of a hangman captioned "Ready For Hillary."

And there’s an unsettling parallel for this kind of rhetoric and what it can lead to, as law professor David S. Cohen pointed out Wednesday in a Rolling Stone op-ed: anti-abortion terrorism.
(more)
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revelette2
 
  2  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 07:25 am
I thought about it and I think Trump has to say outrageous things at his rally's and interviews and tweets to keep his campaign going. He doesn't appear to be spending much on ads, at least I haven't seen very many negative Hillary ads, so I am thinking he is just continuing on with the cheap way he ran his campaign in the primaries. It is like his plan is to insult and outrage his way to the WH.
cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 12:55 pm
@revelette2,
Trump has already bragged that he hasn't spent any money on ads. He doesn't need to, because the media gives him free coverage. He knows how to play the game. He knows how to play the game by being boisterous and outrageous. Name recognition is important in elections, and he knows that.
DrewDad
 
  3  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 01:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Trump has already bragged that he hasn't spent any money on ads. He doesn't need to, because the media gives him free coverage. He knows how to play the game. He knows how to play the game by being boisterous and outrageous. Name recognition is important in elections, and he knows that.

I think we're seeing the weakness in that strategy, though.

He has to keep topping himself with material that's more and more outrageous, in order to keep getting free airtime, and people only hear the outrageous soundbites.

Clinton's ads are certainly more expensive, but they're also likely to be more effective.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 01:08 pm
@DrewDad,
I saw Trump as a narcissist long before he came on the public scene. When anyone has to plaster his name on buildings and airplanes, he's got an ego that's beyond normal. Although I'm not a psychiatrist, I think it's an indication of insecurity.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 01:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Trump won't release his tax returns although there's no law against releasing them before an audit.
Quote:
Clinton, Kaine Release Tax Records
The Clinton campaign released both Hillary Clinton's and Tim Kaine's tax returns on Friday.

The campaign released ten years worth of Kaine's records and made public all of the Clintons' returns since 1977.

The Clintons made just over $10,500,000 and paid an effective federal tax rate of 34.2 percent in 2015, according to the documents. About $6,700,000 of that came from paid speeches delivered by Bill or Hillary Clinton.

Runningmate Tim Kaine and his wife had an adjusted gross income of more than $300,000 and paid an effective federal tax rate of 20.3 percent last year.

The Clintons donated nearly 10 percent of their income to charity in 2015, according to the campaign.

"Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine continue to set the standard for financial transparency," her campaign said in a statement.

Donald Trump has yet to release his tax records, claiming he should not do so while under audit.

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ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 12 Aug, 2016 02:24 pm
Mr. Trump is a little confused

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tim-kaine-signature-gun-policy-2016-8

Quote:
Donald Trump, in an official policy statement on his website, extolls Project Exile, a signature anti-gun violence policy implemented by Tim Kaine when he was mayor of Richmond, Virginia, in 1998.


<snip>

Quote:
Project Exile, endorsed by both the National Rifle Association as well as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, yielded significant results: after the program was implemented, deaths from gun violence in Richmond fell by 22 percent per year, compared to the national rate of decline of 10 percent per year for other U.S. cities. Kaine touted the effects of Project Exile when he ran for lieutenant governor in 2001, and has said the possession he is proudest of is the award given to Richmond for Project Exile by the International Chiefs of Police.

Calling Project Exile a "tremendous program" in his statement, Trump said we "need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street"



<snip>

but ...


Quote:
Just months later, at a rally in July, Trump went on to slam Kaine, who is currently the Democratic vice presidential nominee, for doing "a terrible job" in the state. At Wednesday rally in Abingdon, Virginia, he called Kaine's governorship "catastrophic."



likes Mr. Kaine's old program

but Mr. Kaine? doesn't like him so much
 

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